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  • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

    Thank you for signing into your main account to reply to me.

    If your ideology is valid you shouldn't have to make alts to force people to read your comments

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    cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
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    I don't make alt accounts to force anyone to do anything. I've explained you that Hexbear is a safe space without transphobia of Zionism, and I'm glad it's mostly defederated and I'm not exposed to cognitohazard of such levels.

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    • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

      Again, I'm not @Cowbee_Admirer@reddthat.com. You can check @vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net's account and see that he writes in a similar style that is distinct from mine. While flattering, I'd actually appreciate if comrade vovchik_ilich didn't use my username as an alt-name, even if it isn't the same, because I don't like the idea of a cult of personality around me and because it can lead to confusion, like here.

      I have 3 accounts: @Cowbee@lemmy.ml, @Cowbee@hexbear.net, and @Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml. I used to have a lemm.ee account that I abandoned before making my Lemmy.ml account, made my Hexbear alt a long while after, and a Grad account very recently. I only use Lemmy.ml when interacting with any federated instance, and scroll Grad and Hexbear locally.

      All that being said, you have no evidence that I have multiple accounts, nor can you actually argue against the points being made. This is just conspiracy-theory nonsense.

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      cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
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      Oh hey buddy, sorry, I didnt mean to stir up stuff around your username. I'll delete the account to prevent further confusion.

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      • C cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com

        Oh hey buddy, sorry, I didnt mean to stir up stuff around your username. I'll delete the account to prevent further confusion.

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        Cowbee [he/they]
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        Thanks, comrade! No worries, it's very flattering, but this won't be the last time someone accuses you of being me making an alt.

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        • N nao@sh.itjust.works

          What does it do when you select the middle option?

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          gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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          i don't know

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          • Z zen@lemmy.zip

            I'm going to be frank.

            I'm highly empathetic, and studied history, sociology, economics, international relations, and a few other subjects in university. I dabble in reading as well.

            It's really, really hard for me to stomach the news coming out of the US right now. I'm Australian, so in comparison I live in a utopia. But I just want to cry whenever I see how innocent people are being hurt in the US, Venezuela, Palestine, or really anywhere else. I get angry when I see how the US government, and many others are fucking everything up right now. Things don't have to be like this.

            There is so much American news on this platform. There is so much bad news in general. I don't come to the internet to stress and worry. I come here to learn stuff about niches and chill out. And every time I'm on Lemmy I'm left with the same bad feelings I get from reading world news subreddits.

            Let me be clear; I have no problem with the fact that American news gets posted. It's that when I get on the lemmy.zip or lemmy.world page, some days 9/10 links are to American news, that is very, very, bad news. It makes me miserable.

            So why should I be here instead of just switching off? I love Lemmy, but I find that I just can't justify coming on here. It makes me feel awful.

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            gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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            I really feel you. I recently started aggressively blocking all politics-related communities. It does help a lot. Feed is much emptier, obviously, but it's still the right move i guess.

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            • R randomgal@lemmy.ca

              This. It was never about not having gatekeepers, it was always about being the gatekeeper instead.

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              gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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              It was never about not having gatekeepers, it's about being able to choose who the gatekeeper(s) is/are.

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              • J jabbathethott@lemmy.world

                Most of the fun communities I've found are pretty dead so my feed is just full of world and tech news that is usually sad, aggravating, or misleading. No, I don't need another story of battery technology I'll never use on my feed.

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                The Bard in Green
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                mander.xyz for science articles and memes.
                startrek.website and tenforward@lemmy.world for star trek memes.
                cybersecurity@sh.itjust.works for cybersecurity news, but not a lot of discussion.

                The self hosting communities on lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are pretty active and good at answering questions.

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                • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                  I really feel you. I recently started aggressively blocking all politics-related communities. It does help a lot. Feed is much emptier, obviously, but it's still the right move i guess.

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                  zen@lemmy.zip
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                  #733

                  I'll have to do that, but a non-zero amount of posts leak through into other communities. I did find out I can just filter posts by keywords using uBlock Origin.

                  Actually, could you please screenshot your filter list? I'd really like to just block them all without going through the effort of having to find them.

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                  • M moffkalast@lemmy.world

                    When this post is two days old and still on the very top of my feed you know that it's either a ghost town or the sorting algo doesn't work.

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                    gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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                    i am still surprised that 800 people commented. i never saw 800 people under a single post so it must be pretty dang important to people

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                    • T ton@lemmy.world

                      As much I love the idea of Lemmy, I've noticed myself I was drawn back to Reddit. Why? Because it has a larger community, of course, but (and please don't shoot me for this), Reddit's algo and rewards. Yes, the achievements gallery is stupid, but it works.

                      The folks building Lemmy investigating how to increase engagement, this is one factor.

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                      gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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                      Reddit’s algo

                      in fact i have been asking for a better Lemmy content recommendation system here

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                      • Z zen@lemmy.zip

                        I'll have to do that, but a non-zero amount of posts leak through into other communities. I did find out I can just filter posts by keywords using uBlock Origin.

                        Actually, could you please screenshot your filter list? I'd really like to just block them all without going through the effort of having to find them.

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                        gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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                        mostly these

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                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                          mostly these

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                          zen@lemmy.zip
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                          Legendary 👊 thanks mate

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                          • anon6789A anon6789

                            I get bummed that the political stuff has really taken over. I find myself spending more and more time just working on my own content and answering people's comments than browsing the other communities. It's draining scrolling past so much stuff to find the fun bits, but I don't want to just block it and not see how our platform is developing as a whole.

                            A lot of communities have rules that posts need to be titled the same as the source article, which, while it prevents editorializing, it also brings all those ragebait headlines here. Plus I'd like to see Lemmy users' opinions moreso than an article I could just read myself. I'd probably prefer more of the political post to be thoughts/feelings and then discussion is backed up by decent articles rather than an article being the post and comments are just all steered back to a single, often inflammatory article.

                            If half our content is just reposted mainstream media, why would one expect our comment sections to look any different than the comment sections of those mainstream sites?

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                            brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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                            A lot of communities have rules that posts need to be titled the same as the source article, which, while it prevents editorializing, it also brings all those ragebait headlines here. Plus I’d like to see Lemmy users’ opinions moreso than an article I could just read myself.

                            If half our content is just reposted mainstream media, why would one expect our comment sections to look any different than the comment sections of those mainstream sites?

                            I agree with the sentiment but disagree with the prognosis.

                            In my experience, the ragebait articles around here are largely from the same sites. Rawstory, mediaite, dailybeast, some of The Guardian's more indulgent pieces. I won't presume to know why the posters post them, but they're ragebait to start.

                            I don't even see "Big Media" like Reuters or local news or whatever get upvoted much. And as longs as the news sections aren't mixed up with the opinion ones, IMO they're more professional.

                            The accurate title rule is great as long as posters pick more journalistic articles instead of opinion pieces or reposts. And if they don't there's no fixing that anyway.

                            I’d probably prefer more of the political post to be thoughts/feelings and then discussion is backed up by decent articles

                            And I straight up I disagree with this.

                            There are tons of talking heads with opinions. But journalism rooted in sourcing is much harder. That should come first, or at least come with an opinion in the OP, and then the discussion can be built around facts.

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                            • D dudesss@lemmy.ca

                              I disagree. If Lemmy was plagued with Nazis, it would down the shitter pretty fast.

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                              ensign_crab@lemmy.world
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                              I don't want nazis here either and I'm glad that lemmy remains hostile to them. I was responding to someone who asked why people stayed on reddit. Given reddit's userbase, they're staying because they're welcome. We shouldn't welcome nazis.

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                              • OpenStarsO OpenStars

                                I mean... (to be, what's the word, pedantic?:-P) hexbear.net still exists though? And it is their choice if they want to convert to PieFed rather than remain with Lemmy. I am 100% certain that lemmy.ml will never do so though:-D.

                                So fwiw I agree whole-heartedly with what you said, and that, imho, is what https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser provides? Any other new instance can make their own choice, and I like those GUI options much better. Like when I think of "lemmy.ml", the "Technology" aspect and the phrase "A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers" is nowhere close to the top few thoughts that spring into my mind. And hexbears aren't even leftist, only pretending to be such. But the "choose your own adventure" category, in opposition to "Newbie-friendly", I feel like MUCH better describes both lemmy.ml and hexbear, wouldn't you agree?

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                                periodicallypedantic@lemmy.ca
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                                Ah I misunderstood your example, I thought you were saying instances were intentionally excluded from the picker rather than "instances that don't support this platform don't appear".

                                I'm not going to opine on what constitutes a "real" leftist apart from saying that left/right dichotomy really doesn't describe reality well.

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                                • S Skavau

                                  The primary problem here is that because lemmy.world isn't visible, the instance picker when organised by activity determines lemmy.ml to be the most popular instance and then not far-off, hexbear. That's not good long-term if people are shepherded into those instances without really knowing their context.

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                                  periodicallypedantic@lemmy.ca
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                                  Right, that's why I suggest providing both an opinionated option and an opinionated option. Like a "recommended" section and a "full list" section.

                                  Let people without contest and who don't care to learn the context in advance use an opinionated picker, but don't withhold from people who want to dig in.

                                  But it turns out I misunderstood the example that was given - those instances aren't shown because they simply aren't piefed instances.

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                                  • T tollana1234567@lemmy.today

                                    it kinda correlates with what the "p47" have done controversial and it also correlates with/timing of reddits purges too.

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                                    periodicallypedantic@lemmy.ca
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                                    But they should be offset. Monthly MAU departures shouldn't reflect in half-year until 5 months later. And half-year departures shouldn't influence the MAU at all.

                                    The fact that they line up to they day strikes me as very suspicious.
                                    But I'm not a statistician

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                                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                      I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                                      the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                                      So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                                      edit: source for the graph

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                                      wrote last edited by hamid@crazypeople.online
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                                      I think it is kind of a mistake that Lemmy tries to replicate or replace Reddit. If you want your "niche" content (which I can never figure out what people mean but this but I digress), it requires the network effect of Reddit. Reddit still exists and both Lemmy instances and Reddit are websites. You can easily have two tabs or like both apps on your phone so I'm not sure why it has to be all or nothing.

                                      I think a better use of Lemmy is to provide things that don't work and don't exist on Reddit. A good example is https://crazypeople.online/c/eternalplaylist where we post whatever we're listening to and then sometimes comment on what other people are rocking at the time. I started https://crazypeople.online/c/streamingmovies just to post whatever bullshit I'm watching, maybe if you stream something from https://fmhy.net/ post it and we can all watch it.

                                      I think the people using lemmy as a personal blog are more like what the platform excels at like https://lemmygrad.ml/c/spacedogschronicles and https://crazypeople.online/c/bitofarambler which became https://crazypeople.online/c/travel

                                      Lastly I think the real win for Lemmy as a whole would be to figure out how to better interact with other fedi software. Maybe turning mastodon and pixelfed tags into communities and figuring out how to better integrate there would provide more and interesting content but in a scenario i find much easier to follow than subscribe to poster type twitter style microblogging.

                                      TL;DR being Reddit 2 won't ever happen until Lemmy has a reason to exist that isn't being Reddit. Some people are building that and this is still early in the game.

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                                      • KoarnineK Koarnine

                                        That does sound like a decent idea, that way the content being mirrored would be only that that genuine users accessed.

                                        Perhaps immediately mirroring the content as the browser itself reads it, preventing additional requests that could be flagged.

                                        Only issues are:

                                        • some people don't use reddit whatsover anymore
                                        • many people only browse reddit on mobile
                                        • a browser extension might require too much trust and involvement to generate much output considering the development involved.

                                        Though this does answer some issues and have some clear use cases.

                                        Cheers for the suggestion!

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                                        hcsothrowaway@lemmy.world
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                                        The nice part about my idea is that even with those hurdles in mind, I still proposed it knowing that all it would take is one person to happen upon whichever post or subreddit to auto-scrape and get the discussion on Lemmy going.

                                        Let's be real; 99% of the reason Lemmy is less popular than Reddit is copy+pasting a link, writing your own title, etc. is more effort than 0, therefore the Lemmy-Reddit hybrids like myself don't bother.

                                        Hell, even the staunchly anti-Reddit Lemmites who could be parasitically "stealing" posts and comments to steal Reddit's thunder don't do it. There are other things they'd rather do, evidently.

                                        Now that I think of it, after using the word "scrape," it could be that Reddit ToS follows most websites' in that scraping is explicitly forbidden, so displaying the open source code (or even using it) would incur legal action from Reddit.

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                                        • T tubulartittyfrog@lemmy.world

                                          Tankies are the communists who scream and harass anyone who isn't communist like them, and think anyone who doesn't believe what they believe is fascist and should be eliminated.

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                                          selokichtli@lemmy.ml
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                                          I've been called a tankie several times only because my account is in lemmy.ml and I sympathyze with some communist ideas. Granted, these are some fundamental or radical ideas.

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