where the hell is it the norm to talk to your previous employment supervisor??
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That sounds US specific. I'm from Germany. You are free to ask away, just can't write bad shit into a letter of recommendation. But you can always offer the call you which is usually a hint not to hire somebody without talking to them.
It is US Specific, mostly because that was where I was the last time I worked for anyone else.
....do I need a disclaimer when I write an opinion?
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Right, I'm very curious about how you'd find relevant colleagues (not in the reference list) without using e.g. LinkedIn?
Also curious about the phoniest reference you've ever received, if you care to share.
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yeah, they want to know whether you suck. the expectation is that most people will be kind and support you, and you will likewise pay it back when you have people under you.
Yeah basically "do you suck so much people will abandon courtesy?"
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Right, I'm very curious about how you'd find relevant colleagues (not in the reference list) without using e.g. LinkedIn?
Also curious about the phoniest reference you've ever received, if you care to share.
I'm 51. I have former uni friends and colleagues working everywhere in this region. If an applicant claims to have worked at X during Y it's not that difficult to ask someone who was at that company at the same time and go from there.
The phoniest reference was at our US office where I got fooled (since I didn't have a network there to go and ask) when I hired someone for a devops position who turned out to know absolutely nothing about devops. That "former colleague" reference I spoke to was lying their ass off. After a while we managed to figure out that it was the person's partner who did all the work from home, whilst themselves also working another job.
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yeah, they want to know whether you suck. the expectation is that most people will be kind and support you, and you will likewise pay it back when you have people under you.
do you... keep your supervisor's numbers after you leave a place?
last place i worked, i never even met the lady
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Isnt this just your possible new employer is asking for references? Completely normal in the UK
i'm totally fine providing references, i'm drowning in those. but i haven't been on such good terms with my supervisors. which... i do sort of prefer. power relationship in the workplace and all
(i wasn't on BAD terms with them, just not "i have your phone number" terms)
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do you normally have your supervisor's phone number?
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It is US Specific, mostly because that was where I was the last time I worked for anyone else.
....do I need a disclaimer when I write an opinion?
Yes? How are people supposed to know where you live
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Yes? How are people supposed to know where you live
I mean, you could just take the answer at face value and if it applies to you, heed it or don't....and if it doesn't apply just disregard it?
But, you do you, man.
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do you normally have your supervisor's phone number?
no but their email
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That sounds US specific. I'm from Germany. You are free to ask away, just can't write bad shit into a letter of recommendation. But you can always offer the call you which is usually a hint not to hire somebody without talking to them.
There are plenty of ways to write bad stuff in recommendation letters that hiring managers will pick up on, without it sounding negative for the employee.
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been applying to a lot of jobs, in my career field and otherwise, and a lot of them are asking if they can contact my previous supervisors. they cannot, because i do not have any way to contact them myself LOL but is this really normal?? who is actually calling those people? is this affecting hiring decisions??
In the US that is completely normal.
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In the US that is completely normal.
do you keep your supervisor's numbers?
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do you keep your supervisor's numbers?
Yes.. I keep contact information on hand of everyone that I use as references and I make an effort to stay on touch with them.
It is how I built my professional network.
