’Stranger Things’ Creators Accused by Fans of Using AI To Write Series Finale
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AI generated content has created an army of people who now have an accusation they can levy at any content they find to be poor quality without having to actually articulate any true assessment or critique of the content.
It has also made it necessary or reflexive for even the most conscientious person to consider if content was AI generated. Even if they never share they are considering it. No one wants to praise something only to learn a computer shit it out.
It’s all really corrosive to creativity and the place it holds in our social fabric.
I hate how it's being used as a scapegoat, and is letting rich assholes get away with the typical laziness that they have always employed.
AI is a fucking tool. That's it! If you use it to write slop, that's on you, not the LLM.
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For as 80s as it was, they dropped the classic 80s ending of “but is it really over?” Totally expected some light blinking in the basement considering there were about 15 lightbulbs lit.
Have to say, the reintroduction of Max had heavy AI vibes.
Have to say, the reintroduction of Max had heavy AI vibes.
They did some not-so-great de-aging in some scenes, basically Deepfake tech, I think. They had also used it in S4 for 11's flashbacks. No idea why they did it for Max's first scene since it was not used for her at any point after.
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Yup, this was my immediate reaction to Volume 2. There were large exposition dumps with generic dialog that could have been reassigned to any of the characters with minimal rewrite. It felt like they were having AI generate all the portions of the script they weren't interested in.
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I was fully convinced that nothing happening in the epilogue was real because of the sudden dramatic change of genre. I was suuure we were going to see at the very end that something sinister was still going on.
I initially was thinking maybe everyone was dying and Eleven was giving them a time-dilated vision of happy lives while Hawkins was being ripped apart. The actual "twist" suggested by Mike was pretty lackluster in comparison.
It was weird to see the tone change so much for such a substantial portion of the finale. Honestly you could just cut it off before the graduation and probably have a better ending.
"Change of genre"? Wtf does that even mean? It was just a happily ever after wrapup. Not sure why that would be considered shocking.
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I’d heard unsubstantiated rumors of a Nancy & Robin spinoff.
Neither of the spinoffs will feature any of the main cast.
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Yeah they started off strong, but declined with each successive season. I did watched the fourth season because for whatever reason I thought that would be the final season. Just kinda felt like it was past time they ended it. Even with the decline felt like I wanted to see how it ended.
Then I was really surprised when it didn't end in the last episode of Season 4. Haven't bothered to watch the actual final season. They should've ended it with Season 1. If not then end it with Season 2 or 3. They definitely should've ended it with Season 4. Still would've considered it a decent show. That show really overstayed it's welcome.
Season 5 actually starts off better than I expected but peaks at around the third episode and gets increasingly Marvel and cringe from there. The characters also have to constantly explain the plot to the audience in these recurring "plan" scenes because until now the show has done such a poor job of explaining why any of the supernatural and superpower stuff actually exists. The writers backed themselves into a corner where the only way out is to infodump in every single episode of the final season.
As has been the case with previous seasons, the main reason to watch is for the individual characters who generally remain quite likeable. In particular, Will finally gets a big role in this season and not just the usual weak, tormented boy thing he's been stuck with until now. He's finally an active participant in the story, making decisions and influencing others instead of just constantly needing to be saved/protected.
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AI generated content has created an army of people who now have an accusation they can levy at any content they find to be poor quality without having to actually articulate any true assessment or critique of the content.
It has also made it necessary or reflexive for even the most conscientious person to consider if content was AI generated. Even if they never share they are considering it. No one wants to praise something only to learn a computer shit it out.
It’s all really corrosive to creativity and the place it holds in our social fabric.
If ai really is that bad then you shouldn’t have to worry about accidentally liking something made by ai. Making sure it isn’t ai before praising it is just biased
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Aside from a few blurry screenshots there’s no concrete evidence they used generative-AI while writing.
Saved a click
Sidenote, just because something is bad doesn't mean it has to be AI slop. Show runners were fucking up finales long before ChatGPT came on the scene
What do people even think is bad about the ending? I thought they wrapped everything up pretty well and left a bit open to the viewer.
Also what is the controversy here even about at its root? That there would have been some better ending if they didnt use ChatGPT (assuming they even did to begin with)? Regardless, it seems like a nonsensical thing to get outraged about especially with so little evidence.
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Season 5 actually starts off better than I expected but peaks at around the third episode and gets increasingly Marvel and cringe from there. The characters also have to constantly explain the plot to the audience in these recurring "plan" scenes because until now the show has done such a poor job of explaining why any of the supernatural and superpower stuff actually exists. The writers backed themselves into a corner where the only way out is to infodump in every single episode of the final season.
As has been the case with previous seasons, the main reason to watch is for the individual characters who generally remain quite likeable. In particular, Will finally gets a big role in this season and not just the usual weak, tormented boy thing he's been stuck with until now. He's finally an active participant in the story, making decisions and influencing others instead of just constantly needing to be saved/protected.
I watched Season 1 a few weeks before 5 dropped. The difference was stark lol
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I’d heard unsubstantiated rumors of a Nancy & Robin spinoff.
To be clear, I think you might want to Google (or whatever we call it these days now that Google sucks) Montauk.
Edit: And I did kind of love the Nancy-as-Ripley bit. Lots of Alien homage going on in the last season.
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What do people even think is bad about the ending? I thought they wrapped everything up pretty well and left a bit open to the viewer.
Also what is the controversy here even about at its root? That there would have been some better ending if they didnt use ChatGPT (assuming they even did to begin with)? Regardless, it seems like a nonsensical thing to get outraged about especially with so little evidence.
If you're going to use AI then don't pretend you actually wrote the thing. Otherwise everyone will call you a big fat liar.
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If ai really is that bad then you shouldn’t have to worry about accidentally liking something made by ai. Making sure it isn’t ai before praising it is just biased
I dunno. There’s something hollow in pure AI hallucinated images, video and music. Finding it beautiful or good feels like preferring one flavor of white noise over another. Undifferentiated sensory input with no human craft.
There’s definitely nuance and a spectrum to how much AI is used and how it is executed. I’m being prejudiced against prompted images and videos and songs specifically. Anything directly spit out by AI with a text string as input.
I have an open mind about things cobbled together by an artist blending traditional techniques with AI.
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Aside from a few blurry screenshots there’s no concrete evidence they used generative-AI while writing.
Saved a click
Sidenote, just because something is bad doesn't mean it has to be AI slop. Show runners were fucking up finales long before ChatGPT came on the scene
Ewh human slop
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Yup, this was my immediate reaction to Volume 2. There were large exposition dumps with generic dialog that could have been reassigned to any of the characters with minimal rewrite. It felt like they were having AI generate all the portions of the script they weren't interested in.
Don't think AI is that crafty.
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The amount of whining bullshit that goes on about the last season of Stranger Things is just fucking absurd.
It was a great show that was a ton of fun throughout.
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The amount of whining bullshit that goes on about the last season of Stranger Things is just fucking absurd.
It was a great show that was a ton of fun throughout.
Seriously. The ending didn't hit the peaks some fans wanted. But these para social fans are treating it like it was another Game Of Thrones ending.
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AI generated content has created an army of people who now have an accusation they can levy at any content they find to be poor quality without having to actually articulate any true assessment or critique of the content.
It has also made it necessary or reflexive for even the most conscientious person to consider if content was AI generated. Even if they never share they are considering it. No one wants to praise something only to learn a computer shit it out.
It’s all really corrosive to creativity and the place it holds in our social fabric.
It frustrating when I see all the shitty posts in indie game forums like "This looks like AI. Prove that it's not" and then troll the developer. Witch hunts like that is what will piss people off to turn on the Fuck AI crowd.
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What do people even think is bad about the ending? I thought they wrapped everything up pretty well and left a bit open to the viewer.
Also what is the controversy here even about at its root? That there would have been some better ending if they didnt use ChatGPT (assuming they even did to begin with)? Regardless, it seems like a nonsensical thing to get outraged about especially with so little evidence.
I'm not part of that group but their chief complaints is that:
- The final battle didn't feel "final" enough
- A show as tightly written in the past four seasons seems to have many unanswered loose threads in the ending
These fans are why we'll never see completion of a Song of Fire And Ice.
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What do you mean? I don't use ChatGPT, but I've seen it's outputs, and it seems more than capable of writing exposition dumps.
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What do you mean? I don't use ChatGPT, but I've seen it's outputs, and it seems more than capable of writing exposition dumps.
It doesn't think. It has no logic skills. It doesn't understand English nor the rules to construct good literature.
It can spit out sentences all day. Though to construct dialog that can be interchangable between characters and still function well enough is only something it could luck in to. Even with generic throwaway lines, making them interchangable either takes a very dull story, or a good writer. While AI can spit out dumb, disjointed and meaningless stories, it cannot neatly craft meaningful sentences unless you give it every single bit of context ever and structure your own prompts well.
It'd be less work to just... be creative yourself.
