1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay
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This is an interesting economics problem. How can a p2p FOSS alternative compete with advertising revenue? The YouTube creators don't even get most of the money, so it wouldn't need to be perfect to be better.
Yeah I think it's doable since most of the revenues are through sponsorship and you can evaluate the audience with likes and subscriptions
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All due respect to Mastodon but BlueSky is way more viable right now.
But BlueSky doesn't support the fediverse yet, isn't it?
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
I've been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I'm happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?
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What I miss is a auth service for all of them. Something like a "common user" where you can have all your Fediverse services under the same user.
Yeah some OAuth would be nice
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Sure but PieFed doesn't seem to have a tankie problem. They're blocked from what I've seen.
Even if that wasn't the case, PieFed doesn't have a reputation for having a tankie problem.
The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don't get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it's flooded with pro-russia propaganda.
So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed
It's a shame to see that people think of Lemmy creators as some sort of villains.
I created my account on .ml before the Reddit blackout, but there wasn't much content there, so I didn't use it much. I properly started using it after the "Reddit blackout," and that's when I learned about the so-called "tankie problem." I've met people with weird opinions, but the developers and Marxists in general aren't bad people. People just usually make a strawmen to argue against.
Anyway, none of their opinions are reflected in the software. Lemmy is done in a truly democratic and user-oriented way, and I respect them for it.
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I've been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I'm happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?
There's been some controversy recently about censorship hardcoded into Piefed's backend. Basically it gives people a "social credit score" based on how they post.
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
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I feel the same about PeerTube. And the fact it is a defederated network with opt in to federation is a bad model IMO. There's no way for a creator to get paid, either AFAIK.
I tried it out. First sign up, I was shuttled to an instance federated with only two other instances. Second sign up, I found what looked like an active instance but there still is just a lack of content. I'm not sure how to fix any of its issues as I see them. I'd love an actual YouTube competitor
Yeah the entry ticket is a little high. It's not easy to find an instance which has open registrations and integrates sepia (the federated search engine for peertube) but once you find one it works quite well! (I use peerate.fr)
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I agree, and I think it's a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it's simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.
At the end of the day it shouldn't matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.
Sadly piefed isnt innocent either, they are trying to poison the AP protocol: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
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Yeah, agreed. The one thing the platforms you see that aren't YouTube that creators actually use have in common is financial incentive. Nebula is the best example here. Creators get a cut and have more creative freedom, so they actually use it and try to direct their audience to it for bonus content, which seems to actually work. Patreon is similar for a lot of creators, letting them put out additional content with fewer restrictions and letting them get more income from their viewers.
Some people also seem to have some success with independent platforms. If you look at like a Dropout or Viva Plus, these are both putting stuff out on YouTube and then drawing users in with subscriptions, and that seems to be a sound model.
But Peertube produces zero dollars for creators, which means they have no incentive to push users there. In fact, they're incentivized to avoid doing so because there are other platforms that will actually pay them if they can direct traffic there. Peertube lacks both the money-making side of things and the exposure side of things, so there's no real reason to use it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something independent like Peertube take off, but the model doesn't really work.
But you can have metrics with subscriptions/likes/comments and you could get revenue through sponsorship. Also it would avoid censorship.
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My main issue with peertube is that I find it confusing. Its not self contained in the sense on how to subscribe to channels or people. AFAIK you also need a mastodon account for it and to jump through some hoops to subscribe to a creator.
You don't need a mastodon account, you can have a peertube account but finding an instance with open registration and that integrates sepia (the peertube fediverse search engine) isn't straightforward. You can try peerate.fr
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Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code
Also piefed violates basic compatibility in fediverse: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
I'm having troubld findinv good peertube instances, anyone have any recs?
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Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn't have:
- multicommunities
- onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
- crossposts comments consolidation
- communities moderation features
- posts and user flairs
- keyword filters
https://join.piefed.social/features/
Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don't have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258
You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by
Are these features available on mobile apps? Because I mostly use Lemmy on Jerboa
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It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Deb's a tankie with the most bullshit oppinions ever seen on earth.
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Is there a federated version, either in the works or planned? Because otherwise, Stoat is the only option.
Yes
Matrix
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It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Are you referring to !fediverse@lemmy.world? This wasn't posted by the mods.
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Excuse me that's transphobic and covid denying.
Bullshit, you are lying.
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Yes
Matrix
Matrix just isn't up to it. It doesn't feel like Discord at all. It hasn't taken off in any meaningful way.
