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"Not A Single Pixel" Of The New Ecco Game Will Be Generated By AI, Insists Series Creator

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  • N noja@sopuli.xyz

    I hope your boss won't pay you, because that honestly sounds like a logistical nightmare! They'd need like specialized employees and stuff to pay people! Craaazy!

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    grimy@lemmy.world
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    #46

    Bruh, stable diffusion was trained on billions of images, with their owners spanning the globe. My work has about 300 employees all living in one city and it still take a few separate teams with multiple people each to handle it.

    You're simply an idiot if you think it isn't a nightmare imo. Think before you speak please.

    Take a napkin and do some math on how much you think each image is worth and what kind of budget a company would need to put out a model. Ignore the logistics completely.

    Google doesn't mind paying that price because they can recoup it with the monopoly it gives them. You guys are basically begging for a handful of companies to have it all, begging for walled gardens. Legit bootlicking.

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    • SundrayS Sundray

      Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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      fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com
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      #47

      Ok then, that was always allowed.

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      • SundrayS Sundray

        Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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        etterra@discuss.online
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        #48

        It's the same kind of sadness that I feel knowing that a ton of YouTubers who would rather not show their face now have to just so that people know that they're not a fucking clanker. Especially if they're new at it and don't have a backlog or community to prove that they've been around longer than the AI slop.

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        • G grimy@lemmy.world

          I'm saying they stopped owning it the moment they put it on the big websites and signed away their work by clicking the box at the end of the ToS. I don't think it's right, just how it is.

          I see two choices:

          1. Scrapping isn't considered theft and we all get easy access to these new tools.

          2. It's considered theft and the new tools end up behind censored subscription models while shutter stock makes a shit load of money.

          Paying every artists what they are worth is a logistical nightmare because of the amount of data needed. It simply won't happen and isn't a realistic scenario. It sucks but sticking your head in the sand and giving a soft monopoly to google and openai only helps google and openai.

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          blametheantifa@lemmy.world
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          #49

          I understand what you are saying, but it also assumes surrendering to AI. Many of us are planning to avoid, boycott, and fight that slop to our dying breath. AI needs to be unpopular and unprofitable. The technology isn’t going to disappear, but we can make sure it’s not socially acceptable to steal from or replace humans with expensive, inefficient, misanthropic, planet-killing software and hardware. Progress is being made and it’s important to understand that — just like crypto — this is a fight we can win.

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          • thingsiplay@lemmy.mlT thingsiplay@lemmy.ml

            Why do you want it to fail? I'm so happy that Sega is one of the companies who does games that are not mainstream boring stuff. In fact, this is something I would expect from a small indie team. Shouldn't we celebrate that and support?

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            cia_chatbot@lemmy.world
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            Oh god I read it wrong! I thought he said the whole thing was going to be AI ack!

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            • C cia_chatbot@lemmy.world

              Oh god I read it wrong! I thought he said the whole thing was going to be AI ack!

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              thingsiplay@lemmy.ml
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              Ah I see, just a misunderstanding. Well then the balance of the force is restored. 😄

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              • fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.comF fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com

                Ok then, that was always allowed.

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                keenflame@feddit.nu
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                It's about saving the planet, I think

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                • SundrayS Sundray

                  Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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                  alecsadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  #53

                  OMG NEW ECCO GAME

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                  • I itkovian@lemmy.world

                    I knew that "No AI used" is going to become a huge selling point for many products. And I think this is just the start.

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                    Joanie Parker
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                    That's excellent. And as these mega corps watch consumers favor those products. Maybe, just maybe they'll fucking implode. That's just a fantasy I know.

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                    • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 K 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮

                      Maybe the new Ecco game will be optimized well enough to not need or include DLSS and frame generation. 🤷‍♂️

                      If they use that stuff and it's still a 2D platformer, holy fucking shit. 🤣

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                      shinkantrain@lemmy.ml
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                      #55

                      DLAA then

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                      • SundrayS Sundray

                        Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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                        cocodapuf@lemmy.world
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                        #56

                        Ok sure, but how much of the game will actually be generated by dolphins?

                        This will probably be just another example of HUMAN appropriation when plenty of dolphin developers are struggling to even find work in this industry. Maybe when dolphins are literally the subject matter of the game we could consider inclusivity in its development?

                        #dolphin_life #Phins_In_Gaming #NotMyEcco

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                        • I itkovian@lemmy.world

                          I knew that "No AI used" is going to become a huge selling point for many products. And I think this is just the start.

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                          cocodapuf@lemmy.world
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                          #57

                          I'm gonna have my kid add No AI used" to his lemonade stand sign. He'll probably double his profits.

                          (so like $4).

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                          • SundrayS Sundray

                            Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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                            jankatarch@lemmy.world
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                            I somehow read "not a single pixel will not be AI generated" at first. My brain just defaulted to that. I was confused by the replies for a minute straight.

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                            • C cia_chatbot@lemmy.world

                              Oh god this is going to be awesome to watch this crash and burn

                              Edit: Oh god I read it wrong, I thought it said the whole thing was going to be generated by AI

                              Leaving this as proof of my shame

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                              jankatarch@lemmy.world
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                              I did that too at first lmao. With so many bad news about the opposite happening recently the brain just defaults to pessimism.

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                              • SundrayS Sundray

                                Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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                                aesthelete@lemmy.world
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                                I wonder if the name Ecco has to do with John C. Lilly.

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                                • SundrayS Sundray

                                  Good to know, but sad that it has to be said.

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                                  inferno@lemmy.ml
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                                  Annunziata has been talking about a new game for decades. I'm sceptical he'll produce a single pixel tout court.

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                                  • K keenflame@feddit.nu

                                    It's about saving the planet, I think

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                                    fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com
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                                    #62

                                    The developer – whose credits also include Chakan: The Forever Man, Kolibri, Mr. Bones and Three Dirty Dwarves – has previously been quite vocal about his support of tech such as Web3, AI and LLMs (Large Language Models) in video games.

                                    His LinkedIn profile states that one of his "near-term" goals is to "create an AI system to generate ergodic game content." His current company, PLAYCHEMY, lists "gamification of AI models, Stable Diffusion, LLM, and NeRF" as some of its primary areas of interest.

                                    Save the planet with ECCO, to kill it everywhere else? It's just marketing (it's working though). Wait for the reviews instead.

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                                    • fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.comF fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com

                                      The developer – whose credits also include Chakan: The Forever Man, Kolibri, Mr. Bones and Three Dirty Dwarves – has previously been quite vocal about his support of tech such as Web3, AI and LLMs (Large Language Models) in video games.

                                      His LinkedIn profile states that one of his "near-term" goals is to "create an AI system to generate ergodic game content." His current company, PLAYCHEMY, lists "gamification of AI models, Stable Diffusion, LLM, and NeRF" as some of its primary areas of interest.

                                      Save the planet with ECCO, to kill it everywhere else? It's just marketing (it's working though). Wait for the reviews instead.

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                                      keenflame@feddit.nu
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                                      Instead of, what?

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                                      • K keenflame@feddit.nu

                                        Instead of, what?

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                                        fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com
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                                        #64

                                        Listening to marketeers do their thing. Have we not learned our lesson yet. They'll say whatever it is to sell their game.

                                        Let them make it. Let them release it. Find out if it's something you want to buy. Buy it. "It's about saving the planet" why would anyone volunteer to carry water for them?

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                                        • Joanie ParkerL Joanie Parker

                                          That's excellent. And as these mega corps watch consumers favor those products. Maybe, just maybe they'll fucking implode. That's just a fantasy I know.

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                                          Unfortunately they won't. They are earning tons of money.

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