1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay
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Except it does matter which instance you choose because they choose to defederate with other instances, it may be an instance run by one person who disappears, on a huge instance that collapses, etc.
There's not really a way to migrate totally, AFAIK, so if you choose wrong, you start over. This has been my actual user experience. Kbin was my first choice because of UI and mastodon integration. That instance died when the Dev disappeared. Then I moved to lemm.ee thinking that a large instance surely would stay up. It didn't.
So "it doesn't matter" which instance you choose. Except it also kind of does.
I mean, the way to use Lemmy/Piefed is to have multiple accounts. You don't need to "migrate" anything, just start using it.
I do see this tendency from people coming from reddit to kind of fetishize the "status" of their accounts and try to preserve everything they've ever said as if anyone cares, but that seems both unhealthy and unrealistic. Nobody is digging through your posts from 6 months ago for content, and no one will care that you haven't reposted all your passing thoughts to a new instance.
If you look at the users who are active across multiple accounts, they're recognizable without worrying about what instance they're on. Like I have no idea what instances Stamets or cm0002 or whatever are using at the moment or how many of their posts exist where and I don't really care. I read my current feed, comment a little, post once in a while, and it seems like that's what most people do.
Do you walk around with a tape recorder meticulously archiving every spoken conversation you have in real life? Would such a thing make your interactions more significant? Just keep that shit in your brain and the collective memory of interactions with others and get on with your life.
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By "social credit" system, they're referring to the fact that Piefed has a reputation and attitude system. "Reputation" is a bit like reddit - a downvote contributes negatively to it, an upvote positively. Accounts heavily downvoted will have negative warning signs on them (although the CCS here can be disabled by instance moderators who dislike it) so users can't see it. And users looking at a profile on piefed can only see accounts negatively downvoted, not accounts with high reputation - so it's not "karma" in the sense of Reddit.
"Attitude" refers to downvotes given. If you mass downvote, you'll get a very bad attitude and this is measured in percentage form for users. If you bulk downvote, and get a very low attitude - you'll be blocked from downvoting.
Thank you for explaining clearly someone is trying to put a lot of misinformation out there
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You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?
No this person: https://feddit.dk/u/SorteKanin
I think I understand now and it is clear I need to make a new account on piefed
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I mean, the way to use Lemmy/Piefed is to have multiple accounts. You don't need to "migrate" anything, just start using it.
I do see this tendency from people coming from reddit to kind of fetishize the "status" of their accounts and try to preserve everything they've ever said as if anyone cares, but that seems both unhealthy and unrealistic. Nobody is digging through your posts from 6 months ago for content, and no one will care that you haven't reposted all your passing thoughts to a new instance.
If you look at the users who are active across multiple accounts, they're recognizable without worrying about what instance they're on. Like I have no idea what instances Stamets or cm0002 or whatever are using at the moment or how many of their posts exist where and I don't really care. I read my current feed, comment a little, post once in a while, and it seems like that's what most people do.
Do you walk around with a tape recorder meticulously archiving every spoken conversation you have in real life? Would such a thing make your interactions more significant? Just keep that shit in your brain and the collective memory of interactions with others and get on with your life.
I don't care about some karma number, but yeah, I definitely like to see some conversations I've had, or things I've upvoted because I maybe would like to share them later in a conversation.
So yeah, I like having the record for me.
We were also talking about getting more people on the platform and you are basically showing exactly why others hate this place. My criticism is valid and something a normal person would notice. You came in and wrote a small diatribe about... Not what I was talking about.
No, I don't obsessively go over everything I've ever said. But I sure do sometimes want to revisit, rethink and repost things.
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I've tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn't have that bad rep, so I've found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
"Complain about tankies" it's the same fediverse... With the same content...
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Peertube isn't really a viable alternative. There isn't a substantial enough audience for creators and there isn't really enough content for an audience. I guess if you're one of the 100 people watching transport evolved that's cool but it isn't really a meaningful alternative. I suppose it could be supplementary, but why would creators want to drive their traffic to a site that doesn't actually matter for their visibility? I imagine the same probably applies to loops.
Also, like, with video you kind of want a reliable host that you know isn't going anywhere.
The rest are okay as long as you're not super worried about how many people are seeing what you post. Lemmy and Piefed are great for content aggregation and discussion, but they seem to be the only ones that at this point actually do anything that might be helpful.
I've tried Mastodon and while it's way better than Twitter it isn't exactly providing a way to reach a substantial audience. Personal websites are probably a better bet for ease of access.
I feel the same about PeerTube. And the fact it is a defederated network with opt in to federation is a bad model IMO. There's no way for a creator to get paid, either AFAIK.
I tried it out. First sign up, I was shuttled to an instance federated with only two other instances. Second sign up, I found what looked like an active instance but there still is just a lack of content. I'm not sure how to fix any of its issues as I see them. I'd love an actual YouTube competitor
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"Complain about tankies" it's the same fediverse... With the same content...
Sure but PieFed doesn't seem to have a tankie problem. They're blocked from what I've seen.
Even if that wasn't the case, PieFed doesn't have a reputation for having a tankie problem.
The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don't get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it's flooded with pro-russia propaganda.
So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed
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I'm 1 foot out of Reddit
Since your Lemmy account is only 3 days old, I would recommend switching over to PieFed. It’s a much nicer experience and federates with all the same servers that Lemmy does, so you’re seeing the same posts but in a better way. You’re on lemmy.zip, and the same devs run piefed.zip.
With a little curation of your community subscriptions, you can get a very similar experience to Reddit but better.
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
So where lemmy fits?
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The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is "disabled by default" people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don't like it's fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don't like yourself
It goes against your concept of the Fediverse. You are just as much trying to force your personal preference on others with this argument of slippery slope of Microsoft nonsense.
I think it is great if different instances have different profiles that cater to different audience instead of everything just being the same with different domain names. If it is all the same it may as well be a single instance and the entire point of federating is lost.
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So where lemmy fits?
instead of Piefed
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I've tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn't have that bad rep, so I've found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
PieFed has its own share of dodgy stuff:
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instead of Piefed
I enjoy lemmy so much!
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check out this comment
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
All the proposed services/technologies would benefit the wider consumer base and the user but switching is too big an ask for many people. We need to encourage people into using "as well as" the global defaults. That will build the network effects that lower the cost of fully switching
An easier and bigger immediate impact would come from people replacing Chrome and google search with respectful alternatives, and/or replacing gmail or outlook with private services like proton or tuta.
Starve the surveillance machines a little bit. -
Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
Done. I thought it was going to be difficult leaving YouTube but then they blocked new pipe which was my YT crutch. I don't know what they were thinking I was going to do but it was not re installing their app.
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All the proposed services/technologies would benefit the wider consumer base and the user but switching is too big an ask for many people. We need to encourage people into using "as well as" the global defaults. That will build the network effects that lower the cost of fully switching
An easier and bigger immediate impact would come from people replacing Chrome and google search with respectful alternatives, and/or replacing gmail or outlook with private services like proton or tuta.
Starve the surveillance machines a little bit.We need to encourage people into using “as well as” the global defaults.
agreed, we need "Monthly Try Something New Day"
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
What I miss is a auth service for all of them. Something like a "common user" where you can have all your Fediverse services under the same user.
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I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.
The vast majority of users just won't go through that effort. PieFed's default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which is why I promote it instead
Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?
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Peertube isn't really a viable alternative. There isn't a substantial enough audience for creators and there isn't really enough content for an audience. I guess if you're one of the 100 people watching transport evolved that's cool but it isn't really a meaningful alternative. I suppose it could be supplementary, but why would creators want to drive their traffic to a site that doesn't actually matter for their visibility? I imagine the same probably applies to loops.
Also, like, with video you kind of want a reliable host that you know isn't going anywhere.
The rest are okay as long as you're not super worried about how many people are seeing what you post. Lemmy and Piefed are great for content aggregation and discussion, but they seem to be the only ones that at this point actually do anything that might be helpful.
I've tried Mastodon and while it's way better than Twitter it isn't exactly providing a way to reach a substantial audience. Personal websites are probably a better bet for ease of access.
For most other formats, everyone creates and shares: photos, posts, sharing links. For more crafted video material, there's too much of an imbalance between the number of watchers vs creators to make a new platform an easy sell. You'd need a strong creator promise like Nebula.
