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  • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

    We need comments, that is the problem. Small communities don't get any positive feedback via engagement, which causes them to die as the owner/sole poster feels like no one cares.

    Simply link dumping (effectively what most posts are on content aggregators) is the easy part. Seeing even 1 comment inclines someone to open up the post to read the comment, which makes them in turn likely to reply and it builds from there to a hot/active conversation.

    If you can just aim to write that first comment on or two posts a day in more niche communities, it will help achieve growth.

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    Fluffy Kitty Cat
    wrote last edited by
    #33

    Now this I do and I'm glad it helps

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    • S Skavau

      There is a search though?

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      die4ever@retrolemmy.com
      wrote last edited by
      #34

      I would say Lemmy's search is better than Reddit's

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

        I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

        the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

        So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

        edit: source for the graph

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        atro_city
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        #35

        I have faith in the EU's opensource policy. Things will change. We're in no rush.

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        • F Fluffy Kitty Cat

          Now this I do and I'm glad it helps

          DeceptichumD This user is from outside of this forum
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          Deceptichum
          wrote last edited by
          #36

          Thank you for your service o7

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            solrize@lemmy.ml
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            #37

            IDK if there's a way to tell on Lemmy whether an account is dormant. I haven't posted or commented on reddit in years, but I still log in and talk to people over PM. So my account there isn't dormant, but also has no visible activity.

            Anyway someone further up described a big Lemmy problem, which is link dumping. I think on reddit, moderators tend to delete those, unless the poster makes some kind of effort to at least bypass clickbait and say what the link is about.

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            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

              I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

              the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

              So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

              edit: source for the graph

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              Avid Amoeba
              wrote last edited by avidamoeba@lemmy.ca
              #38

              The process through which we get more users is that something material changes in current Tirefire user's life that puts them over the threshold needed to look for alternative. Then they look. Lemmy is the obvious Reddit alternative, it's well indexed in search engines. Then they try it. If the quality of content is decent, there's a decent chance they stay. They know the quantity won't be as high, that's the major reason they haven't switched to begin with. So for this process to keep functioning, we need to maintain the quality.

              Of course we should also suggest Lemmy, but probably when asked or otherwise appropriate. Or else it may have the opposite effect that naked shilling often has.

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              • K kirp123@lemmy.world

                To be completely honest, Lemmy is kinda dead outside the politics subs and some of the tech ones. When I deleted my reddit account I came here and joined some of the communities I was using reddit for: Pathfinder 2e, RPG, memes, anime. Out of all of them I only see an occasional post from memes while the other ones are literal ghost towns.

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                Agent_Karyo
                wrote last edited by
                #39

                Shameless plug.

                If you are into computer RPGs (CRPGs), we have a relatively active community:

                !crpg@lemmy.world

                The JRPG community is also pretty active:

                !jrpg@lemmy.zip

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                • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                  can you please share the sticker design? 🙂

                  then others can use them too

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                  Vogi
                  wrote last edited by
                  #40

                  let me cook. 🙂

                  will be posting it on here.

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                  • Agent_KaryoA Agent_Karyo

                    Shameless plug.

                    If you are into computer RPGs (CRPGs), we have a relatively active community:

                    !crpg@lemmy.world

                    The JRPG community is also pretty active:

                    !jrpg@lemmy.zip

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                    gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
                    wrote last edited by
                    #41

                    they should link to each other in the sidebar so people know how to find them

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                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                      I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                      the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                      So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                      edit: source for the graph

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                      boiglenoight@lemmy.world
                      wrote last edited by
                      #42

                      I’m happy to promote it. I tried to get a few non-technical people to check it out. They felt it was too complicated. I’ve shared it with tech friends and coworkers who use Reddit. They’re aware of Lemmy to varying degrees, and are not enthused about moving to another platform despite hating Reddit.

                      I think it’s because despite Lemmy being a great alternative, it is more complicated and lacks the user base that users of other social media platforms have.

                      Bluesky is marginally more complicated than Twitter, but compared to Mastodon it is user friendly. Bluesky worked to create a dedicated, easy to use app that most users use.

                      Bluesky existed for a while before experiencing explosive growth. This occurred during moments of controversy with X. Bluesky capitalized on these moments, with champions on both platforms that led their followers to change, and there were mechanisms in place to bootstrap a user’s feed with the followers and topics that they had in the other place.

                      I think Lemmy needs to follow this model. There needs to be a Lemmy app that has a user experience as similar as possible with the Reddit app. It also needs champions that have main stream recognition (George Takei, Mark Hamill, etc.) that can be willing to make noise about switching from Reddit to Lemmy when the next controversy occurs. Repeat with more and more promotion by this evangelists, and Lemmy could grow.

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                      • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

                        We need comments, that is the problem. Small communities don't get any positive feedback via engagement, which causes them to die as the owner/sole poster feels like no one cares.

                        Simply link dumping (effectively what most posts are on content aggregators) is the easy part. Seeing even 1 comment inclines someone to open up the post to read the comment, which makes them in turn likely to reply and it builds from there to a hot/active conversation.

                        If you can just aim to write that first comment on or two posts a day in more niche communities, it will help achieve growth.

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                        Skavau
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                        #43

                        75% of small communities, if not higher, don't use lemmy-federate to expand the visibility of their community. The user makes the community, broadcasts a few posts locally and then gets sad that no-one replies (because it can only be seen locally).

                        I use lemmy-federate a lot to help this, but it's sometimes too late after they set the comm up.

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                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                          I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                          the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                          So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                          edit: source for the graph

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                          Rekall Incorporated
                          wrote last edited by rekall_incorporated@piefed.social
                          #44

                          I am curious why there is such a big difference between FediDB and Fedi Observer.

                          FediDB has Lemmy at 48 K MAU:

                          https://fedidb.com/ (Lemmy is the fourth entry on the platform list).

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                          • Rekall IncorporatedR Rekall Incorporated

                            I am curious why there is such a big difference between FediDB and Fedi Observer.

                            FediDB has Lemmy at 48 K MAU:

                            https://fedidb.com/ (Lemmy is the fourth entry on the platform list).

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                            Skavau
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                            #45

                            Possibly different instances on fedidb.

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                            • F f2sfljlhdttz@lemmy.world

                              No search is THE deal breaker for lots.

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                              gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
                              wrote last edited by
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                              i would even say searching and finding are about equally important.

                              finding means that you stumble upon good content by accident, which is i.e. with content recommendation algorithms. We need a system that shows you similar communities to those that you're already subscribed to. I even made a post about this here.

                              Also we really need a better way to link to other posts and comments. I.e. it shouldn't bring you to another site but open the link on your site/app/viewer.

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                              • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                                I would say Lemmy's search is better than Reddit's

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                                henfredemars@infosec.pub
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                                #47

                                Reddit search is nearly useless anyway.

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                                • S Skavau

                                  75% of small communities, if not higher, don't use lemmy-federate to expand the visibility of their community. The user makes the community, broadcasts a few posts locally and then gets sad that no-one replies (because it can only be seen locally).

                                  I use lemmy-federate a lot to help this, but it's sometimes too late after they set the comm up.

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                                  Deceptichum
                                  wrote last edited by deceptichum@quokk.au
                                  #48

                                  That's another good point.

                                  PieFed has at least taken some steps to work on this, with it automatically posting new communities to NewCommunities and auto-subbing the instance to those posted there.

                                  If the Lemmy devs stopped pushing ML propaganda, transphobia, and genocide denial and actually worked on the software, we might be in a better place today.

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                                  • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

                                    That's another good point.

                                    PieFed has at least taken some steps to work on this, with it automatically posting new communities to NewCommunities and auto-subbing the instance to those posted there.

                                    If the Lemmy devs stopped pushing ML propaganda, transphobia, and genocide denial and actually worked on the software, we might be in a better place today.

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                                    Skavau
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #49

                                    I have proposed piefed instances be able to opt into automatic federation with other selected instances when a community is made. I think it might work like that now via a toggle. Rimu would confirm.

                                    Obviously smaller, personal instances would opt out of that but for general-use instances it makes sense.

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                                    • S Skavau

                                      I have proposed piefed instances be able to opt into automatic federation with other selected instances when a community is made. I think it might work like that now via a toggle. Rimu would confirm.

                                      Obviously smaller, personal instances would opt out of that but for general-use instances it makes sense.

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                                      Mike
                                      wrote last edited by michael@piefed.chrisco.me
                                      #50

                                      Might be "Automatically add new remote communities" toggle on the admin side.

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                                      • S Skavau

                                        Possibly different instances on fedidb.

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                                        Rekall Incorporated
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                                        Interestingly enough, the stats for Piefed are nearly identical for both sources, the Lemmy delta is huge though.

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                                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          they should link to each other in the sidebar so people know how to find them

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                                          Agent_Karyo
                                          wrote last edited by agent_karyo@piefed.world
                                          #52

                                          Waiting in my instance to update to Piefed 1.4, I will add World of JRPGs to the sidebar once that happens.

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