we need more users
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I definitely do not find graffiti cool. It's illegal and antisocial behavior. The art can be cool of course (although it very rarely is in my experience), but the illegal act is not.
The "Workers over billionaires" sticker advocating for workers right, sits on the post of a grocery cart corral. I smile everytime I see it. I'm thankful for who ever stuck it there, and even cooler, it's not been scrubbed off after a full year.
You can cry rules/laws if you want, but where I am, the powers at large are not bound by any law, so why must I be bound to something so arbitrary? Why should we not advocate for ourselves in anyway possible?
Do you understand how hopeful it is to see graffiti/stickers in support of your values out in the wild? I was filled with hope when I first saw that sticker, for we are not alone
It feels really arrogant to call these acts antisocial behavior. It's not
There's also plenty of community boards around one could post a sticker to with a thumb tack, and it breaks no rule. It's free for use.
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Maybe I'm insensitive or just foolish but to me there's comedy in that.
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Maybe I'm insensitive or just foolish but to me there's comedy in that.
Oh I agree, it's inherently absurd - and I'm surprised they haven't been banned from basically everywhere else outside of the trio instances (they have been banned from a lot of instances) - but to a lot of people the main issue ignoring Cowbees apologism is the hostility they encounter on there.
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Oh I agree, it's inherently absurd - and I'm surprised they haven't been banned from basically everywhere else outside of the trio instances (they have been banned from a lot of instances) - but to a lot of people the main issue ignoring Cowbees apologism is the hostility they encounter on there.
Well I guess you're right and there is a lot of hostility towards certain thoughts in most instances. Everyone holds something sacred I guess.
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I've been here a few years now and I can say Lemmy's got issues. You can't come on here and have a good time anymore when all it's about is trump trump trump and Linux Linux Linux it gets old. I wanna escape from reality a bit sometimes and there's few areas to subscribe to that gives any joy anymore.
I think part (though not all) of the issue is discoverability. There's other communities where this isn't as prevalent, but a) they're not always easy to find, and b) for this as well as other reasons, they might not be super active (if people don't know it exists, who's posting?)
I get around the first bit by trawling All New once and a while. One feature I will say I liked on reddit was the random community function. But while I like that it's a smaller userbase here for some reasons, it does mean less diversity of interests.
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I've told people about Lemmy before. I got the same reaction everytime.
"It looks like it's just people talking about computers."
And their interest dies. Which tells me there needs to be more diversity of active communities. No one wants to come to a small platform, create a new dead community, and talk to themself.
It's kind of a chicken and the egg problem though, that happens on any new place, so it's tough to sell them on that unless they already like what's being talked about. I think it's probably better to stick to the fundamentals of the fediverse and what makes it better than a centralized platform. In this phase of Lemmy's popularity we need people that stick around and build communities, and they can only really be enticed to do that based on the merits of the platform.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I advertised Lemmy to my friends a few times and they have now stopped replying to my messages
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you know what? that might be it!
Lemmynsfw coming in clutch
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I advertised Lemmy to my friends a few times and they have now stopped replying to my messages
I just keep sending them memes I know they'll like. I've had 3 friends joing various instances so far, because after a while they just go:
Man....where do you get these memes?!
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I just keep sending them memes I know they'll like. I've had 3 friends joing various instances so far, because after a while they just go:
Man....where do you get these memes?!
Not memes but I keep the address bar in the screen shot.
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I just keep sending them memes I know they'll like. I've had 3 friends joing various instances so far, because after a while they just go:
Man....where do you get these memes?!
Ah well, I am not good at that.
The best I have gotten people to say is how I "know so much" about stuff at work and the best I can point them to is Wikipedia, StackOverflow and the like, which of course they aren't really interested in doing and their lines are probably just a way to try and flatter me. -
Not memes but I keep the address bar in the screen shot.
Fair play, whatever works is what's best
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Ah well, I am not good at that.
The best I have gotten people to say is how I "know so much" about stuff at work and the best I can point them to is Wikipedia, StackOverflow and the like, which of course they aren't really interested in doing and their lines are probably just a way to try and flatter me.At least they're flattering you
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Just wait for Reddit to finally ban porn and we’ll have more users than we know what to do with
Oh they won't ban it they'll hide 18+ subs behind a pay wall and call it "premium access"
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The "Workers over billionaires" sticker advocating for workers right, sits on the post of a grocery cart corral. I smile everytime I see it. I'm thankful for who ever stuck it there, and even cooler, it's not been scrubbed off after a full year.
You can cry rules/laws if you want, but where I am, the powers at large are not bound by any law, so why must I be bound to something so arbitrary? Why should we not advocate for ourselves in anyway possible?
Do you understand how hopeful it is to see graffiti/stickers in support of your values out in the wild? I was filled with hope when I first saw that sticker, for we are not alone
It feels really arrogant to call these acts antisocial behavior. It's not
There's also plenty of community boards around one could post a sticker to with a thumb tack, and it breaks no rule. It's free for use.
It might be because I am in Denmark which has quite a functioning and lawful system and where I see the most graffiti is in public transport, like on trains and train stations. The transport company spends a lot of money cleaning that graffiti, making public transport more expensive for everyone else (hence antisocial behavior).
So I can understand where you are coming from but my perspective is just different.
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At least they're flattering you
Honestly, it is not fun being flattered in a way that makes me try to give them an answer that they will ignore.
Imagine a C++ compiler with feelings, reading your code ignoring the return value of a
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Oh they won't ban it they'll hide 18+ subs behind a pay wall and call it "premium access"
I feel like that's effectively the same thing.
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Piefed isn't an instance, it's an alternative software that reads Lemmy.
Piefed.social is the flagship instance, comparable to lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.zip made their own Piefed.
Piefed.social is the flagship instance, comparable to lemmy.ml.
comparable in status, or in opinions?
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I've been here a few years now and I can say Lemmy's got issues. You can't come on here and have a good time anymore when all it's about is trump trump trump and Linux Linux Linux it gets old. I wanna escape from reality a bit sometimes and there's few areas to subscribe to that gives any joy anymore.
And you can say "block anything related to that," but I don't want to stop hearing about it entirely. Just not the only topics.
And even on the few active subs that aren't Trump or Linux, there's a lot of commenters that can't shut up about Trump or Linux, particularly ones that think you're a bad person if you ever stop talking about Trump.
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Have you considered trying out Piefed? Piefed has custom feed options currently.
The onboarding is way too complicated for the average user. A huge part of this is that there are 100 ways to do it. Before you even can start to do anything you have to investigate and then decide on what and how to do it. And even then there is no guidance at all, you are given options and then you can either go and do some research again or try them one by one. You lose at least 90% of the users here already. It doesn’t help that fediverse users try to downplay this issue.
I don't really know how you make the onboarding, the instance selection easier at this point. What do you propose?
What site did you use when you found lemmy?
I'm a reddit user and that's also where I first heard about lemmy the first time.
Yesterday I decided to give it a try, current events pushed me away from everything American and so I thought it was about time.
I searched for something like 'lemmy getting started' and landed on this site:
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/01-getting-started.htmlSo the first greeting is a wall of text. After I read through it, I found myself here:
https://join-lemmy.org/instancesNow I got a bunch of options with no real way to evaluate what's what. I spent some time there looking through the options and didn't really know what to choose and what the impact would be. I used a search engine again to look for some opinions about the biggest ones which lead me nowhere, mostly.
So I kinda gave up and selected programming.dev because that's close enough to what I do professionally. I clicked on join and was presented with this
https://programming.dev/signupSo I don't know if that differs from instance to instance, but you need a moment to process this. The first few fields are obvious but then it starts to get a little weird. Instead of a checkbox or even implicit accepting of TOS and privacy policy (by registering here you agree to....) you have to take or copy paste that exact sentence into that answer box with a preview button(?) and then fill in the captcha. After that you are told that your registration needs to be approved manually and that there is no notification about that so you have to manually check from time to time whether your are able to login or not.
But it didn't end here. Because I found that the webui wasn't that great on mobile, I wanted an Android app. So I ended up here: https://join-lemmy.org/apps
And yet again was confronted with a bunch options I somehow had to evaluate. I'm still in the process finding an app I really like.
Now I know this is no rocket science, and having options is a good thing usually.
But still considering the average usually not tech savvy user, all of that is too much by quite a bit. That's overwhelming for the majority of people.
This whole thing needs to be a 10 second streamlined process. There should be one button to get you started. The instance selection site tells you: 'You can access all content in the lemmyverse from any server, so it doesn't matter which one you choose.'
So if that's the case, why bother the user with it? I admit I know jack shit about the fediverse, but if I were to design such a thing, I'd separate the IdP (identity provider) from the service/content providers. Have a couple of them redundantly, hosted by different parties so one entity can not shut down everything. Let the user register once, replicate that identity across the IdPs and let some interest selection wizard determine which content instances the use should be added to.
I know that's a big architecture change and will never happen. So maybe have that one obvious registration routine for a user and choose a first instance for the user based on interests or randomly (from a curated list to prevent users landing on some extreme instances) if the user can not be bothered to fill in their interests.
Have one default app which is good and recommended that. Let the app have sensible defaults (like the sorting thing), present most popular content first to hook the user.
Let the user look for alternatives later if they want to do that.
Don't let the user do all the homework upfront before they even know whether they even care and if it's worth the effort. Most people simply won't do it.
PS. Nope I do not know about 'Piefed'. I'll check it out later. It wasn't mentioned on all that sites that I looked at and that's part of the problem.
That's just my 2 cents.
