we need more users
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As long as Lemmy is in hands of extremists, it wont happen.
You considered Piefed?
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It's got nothing whatsoever to do with what I want.
It only has to do with the math of how large networked systems function.
Right now the fediverse is unstable and unsustainable. balkanization is a huge contributing factor.
It's not a preference thing. If you want the fediverse to survive we all need it to be bigger and balkanization prohibits that
Most of the major instances do federate with each other though. The only notable difference in terms of content you'll get is if you like hexbear/lemmygrad currently.
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Because Lemmy, to this day, doesn't do what Reddit does. Yes, the UI is similar, but there's two big downsides to Reddit. One that's important now, and one that's important later.
- Lemmy is tiny. Like, really small. The Linus Tech Tips form and the Crackberry forum each have more users and more activity than all of Lemmy combined. That means, you can talk about general things of Lemmy, like e.g. US politics, but there aren't a lot of niche communities. On Reddit I can post a photo with some weird electronics component from the 60s and within minutes someone will post an answer identifying the component and telling me where to buy a replacement. On Lemmy, a corresponding community doesn't even exist.
- Lemmy scales terribly. Every instance holds a copy of all data that was ever posted in any community that any user on that instance ever subscribed to. That has two very negative effects:
- Storage requirements are insane. Since most traffic is in big communities and most users will subscribe to the big communities, most instances need to store a copy of almost all of Lemmy. If Lemmy were to ever get to the size of Reddit, every instance would have to store data in the order of magnitude of all of Reddit. Imagine small hobby admins having to host data in the region of Petabytes or Exabytes. Nobody can afford that.
- Admin work is insane. Since every instance holds a full, independent copy and doesn't only cache, they are legally responsible for the content and have to moderate it. So if someone posts e.g. illegal pornography on one instance and it's federated to another instance, the admin of the second instance needs to delete it or face legal consequences. That means, instead of the mods or admins of the original community/instance being solely responsible for keeping their stuff clean, everyone is responsible for everything and the same work needs to be done hundreds of times, once per instance.
This horrible scalability means that right now instances are getting close to their limits (see e.g. lemm.ee closing down exactly due to these reasons).
Lemmy has 40-50k monthly active users. Reddit has 5.16 billion monthly active users, so about 100 000x. If everyone on Reddit were to move over to Lemmy, Lemmy would be done. Just one day of Reddit-level traffic would be enough to jam up the history of Lemmy content so much that nobody could ever afford hosting a Lemmy instance again.
I don't know if you've convinced me to stay or go, but you've certainly convinced me of either or.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Total servers are way down and so are users. But how come the number of comments has increased?
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I've lost track of how many subs I've been banned from cause I pissed off a friend of a mod.
How, dude? I've never even gotten a warning from a mod.
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I've been here a few years now and I can say Lemmy's got issues. You can't come on here and have a good time anymore when all it's about is trump trump trump and Linux Linux Linux it gets old. I wanna escape from reality a bit sometimes and there's few areas to subscribe to that gives any joy anymore.
Well, if you leave there will be one less person who would post something that's neither Linux nor Trump. Be the change you want to see in the world. Stay out of spite, invite more people like you over, post whatever you want, and shove them into Linux posters' faces!
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Can I ask a different, more difficult question?
Where are people going?
Lemmy Isn't Quite It? Mastodon is too formal. Blusky is too political.
Lemmy was a clone of Reddit. Not an improvement on it.
I left, in a way. Lemmy was my main stomping ground. Now it's XMPP.
how in the name of fuck is that even an acceptable transition?
I don't need Reddit, I need engagement.
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Reddit circa 2013.
However, I'd like to take note that the world itself was far different in 2013. We're asking for 2013 politic levels when the current world is obsessed with politics and some countries are within five years of a civil war, mine in particular.
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Reddit circa 2013.
However, I'd like to take note that the world itself was far different in 2013. We're asking for 2013 politic levels when the current world is obsessed with politics and some countries are within five years of a civil war, mine in particular.
Well that's not really something a platform can change, is it?
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Because reddit coddles nazis and lemmy doesn't.
Also niche communities exist on reddit that lemmy doesn't have the population to support.
Not true. I'm pro Trump, pro ICE and pretty transphobic/homophobic, all those stuff that you liberals consider nazism, but I get banned all the time.
Truth is that any opinion that may offend anyone is banned on reddit. Reddit is gone
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I think the reason is similar with Windows and Linux.
Linux is actually a superior operating system with real benefits.
Lemmy's only benefit is more freedom of speech, which is valuable, but lemmy's userbase is so much smaller that it's kinda meaningless
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Nope, just the landscape, but who's to say bored Lemmy users are going back to Reddit? They likely moved on, or settle for Mastodon, or like me, chats rather than forums.
Reddit hasn't exactly improved, trading "meh" for "eh".
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Total servers are way down and so are users. But how come the number of comments has increased?
I'm not sure how the comments are counted, but there may be an increase in comments in Lemmy communities made by accounts from other fediverse software like piefed and mastodon.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I love Lemmy, and would never ask for it to change. Call me crazy, but I have essentially zero problems with the content and comments posted (barring shit news sources). If I want to disengage from the misery of the world, I can read a book or play a game or make music or something. I suppose I've adapted over the years.
It is, in my opinion, unrealistic and unwarranted to expect the userbase to self-sensor, and it is ESPECIALLY unrealistic and against the ethos of the program to hand out bans for calls to action, as some users are suggesting in the comments here. Perhaps .world should launch a spinoff instance that can satisfy these criteria, I don't know. Passivity and complacency can be nice, but are altogether unproductive, in my mind. We need people to be frustrated, angry, and hungry.
Lemmy has also opened my eyes to the world of open source software, something I am tremendously thankful for.
I'm not satisfied with this comment, it feels sloppy, but I want to get my feelings out there!
o7
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I love Lemmy, and would never ask for it to change. Call me crazy, but I have essentially zero problems with the content and comments posted (barring shit news sources). If I want to disengage from the misery of the world, I can read a book or play a game or make music or something. I suppose I've adapted over the years.
It is, in my opinion, unrealistic and unwarranted to expect the userbase to self-sensor, and it is ESPECIALLY unrealistic and against the ethos of the program to hand out bans for calls to action, as some users are suggesting in the comments here. Perhaps .world should launch a spinoff instance that can satisfy these criteria, I don't know. Passivity and complacency can be nice, but are altogether unproductive, in my mind. We need people to be frustrated, angry, and hungry.
Lemmy has also opened my eyes to the world of open source software, something I am tremendously thankful for.
I'm not satisfied with this comment, it feels sloppy, but I want to get my feelings out there!
o7
What do you think of a content filter setup when you register the account like this:
Effectively, when you click "no politics", it blocks the !News@lemmy.world, !politics@lemmy.world, !politicalmemes@lemmy.world, !pravda_news@news.abolish.capital communities and such.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.
Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.
We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.
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I think one huge missed opportunity is within sharing stuff from lemme...
Other sites will allow you to share media, often with a banner or link back to the original content or source.
For lemme I download the media and there's no branding or linkage that brings you back to the platform (at least not through the Boost app)Maybe you could share a screenshot that includes the address bar instead?
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It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.
Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.
We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.
That's why i run the !mars@discuss.tchncs.de community. It's a very niche interest topic but i found no other good-quality community discussing martian settlement so i made my own. And i figure if the quality is good enough, it might be enough to bring in other users from other platforms simply to have good discussions.
I have checked the mars subreddit on Reddit but it's full of idiots and people who are just generic naysayers or people who saw 1 youtube video and now think they're experts or sth.
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it's just a matter of time until the internet gets divided into spaces like US, EU, RU and China
I have thought the same thing but i don't think the distinctions will be so clear after all because even today, there's people from China connecting to western internet via VPN. i have some in a chat group i'm in btw.
So yeah, i think some proximity metric would help people to find stuff "near them" - either geographically or content-wise. Like, i'd actually like there to be an easy way to find communities and people near me geographically. It would probably help me make friends and find people that i can be in contact with IRL.
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We got tankies on here, though. Not much better.
What's a tankie and what makes them close to Nazis?
