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  • H hcsothrowaway@lemmy.world

    Here's my Amateur Coder waving the Wand of Coding idea:

    What if we had a FOSS browser extension that scraped Reddit passively, uploading everything you see as you browse (except PII like your username and PMs and such) via bot to Lemmy (on a delay so they can't pinpoint your identity as easily?)

    I can't be the only one who splits their time between Lemmy and Reddit, and would much rather participate here than there, but there's much less to comment on here.

    My favorite subreddit (/r/tampa) recently perma-banned me for extremely petty reasons, but /c/tampa is a ghost town.

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    Koarnine
    wrote last edited by
    #621

    That does sound like a decent idea, that way the content being mirrored would be only that that genuine users accessed.

    Perhaps immediately mirroring the content as the browser itself reads it, preventing additional requests that could be flagged.

    Only issues are:

    • some people don't use reddit whatsover anymore
    • many people only browse reddit on mobile
    • a browser extension might require too much trust and involvement to generate much output considering the development involved.

    Though this does answer some issues and have some clear use cases.

    Cheers for the suggestion!

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    • H hcsothrowaway@lemmy.world

      Reddit would probably sooner just lop off their entire EU userbase than comply.

      No offense to Europeans because I love y'all, but you are a drop in the bucket for global (English) internet usage.

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      Koarnine
      wrote last edited by
      #622

      Then let them, we need to stop bending the rules for US companies, we don't need them.

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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

        This would struggle due to reddit API and compute power requirements

        IIRC the EU released a law a few months ago that forces big internet communication platforms to open their API to third-party clients.

        this applied to whatsapp i think, i'm not sure whether it also applies to reddit but it might be worth investigating if somebody has too much time on their hands 😛

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        Koarnine
        wrote last edited by
        #623

        Well technically Reddits API is open to third party clients, it just became prohibitively expensive around the exodus...

        Does the new ruling include provisions for where the API has been made functionally unusable? It definitely could, but I wouldn't be surprised if they missed that.

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        • D daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com

          I just don't get why people would stay in reddit when lemmy exist 😞

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          incipient8647@leminal.space
          wrote last edited by
          #624

          Lemmy is great in the techy/gaming, memes, and news/politics fields, but doesn't have strong secondary communities. I no longer have a reddit account but still lurk to keep up with news focused in Ukraine, Japan, Korea, music, history, minecraft, etc.

          Also, social media uses the same tactics as casinos to keep people hooked. I remember a podcast in which they compared the new algorithms to slot machines where sometimes you "win" by getting content you're looking for, sometimes you lose by getting fed random crap you didn't search, and mostly you break even & get fed the same repetitive crap (this makes the times you "win" seam more rewarding.) Social media is an addiction and cancerous to modern society.

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          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

            I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

            the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

            So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

            edit: source for the graph

            softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS This user is from outside of this forum
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            softestsapphic@lemmy.world
            wrote last edited by softestsapphic@lemmy.world
            #625

            I came to this space in November of 2024.

            As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.

            So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.

            I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.

            So no more .db0

            I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.

            Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute

            I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.

            Bad app :c

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            • teolan@lemmy.worldT teolan@lemmy.world

              It's not that we're missing more user, but rather that we are missing communities where people would come for the community specifically.

              Lemmy is filled with people that want something that is reddit without being reddit.

              We will start winning the moment we have communities were people join Lemmy to be part of said community.

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              spezi@feddit.org
              wrote last edited by
              #626

              The problem is that many specific communities are transitioning from reddit to discord. It would be cool to have some kind of matrix integration with Lemmy accounts/communities and vice versa.

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              • A arrhenius@lemmy.world

                Linux is actually a superior operating system with real benefits.

                Lemmy's only benefit is more freedom of speech, which is valuable, but lemmy's userbase is so much smaller that it's kinda meaningless

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                bazell@lemmy.zip
                wrote last edited by
                #627

                Personally, I like the smaller userbase. Higher levels of freedom speech are still valuable even if only 1000 people may see your post/comment, rather than having you blocked by incompetent AI filter with no way to fight back.

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                • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                  I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                  the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                  So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                  edit: source for the graph

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                  acargitz
                  wrote last edited by
                  #628

                  One thing I've noticed with Lemmy is that it feels way more like a social bookmarking and commentary platform. I see fewer posts that are "original content" here than for example Reddit.

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                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                    edit: source for the graph

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                    incipient8647@leminal.space
                    wrote last edited by
                    #629

                    I don't know the motives of others, but I've been spending increasingly less time on the internet and more time listening to podcasts & reading.

                    Lemmy attracts only certain types of people who like reading articles and replying long paragraphs arguing with each other or small details. In a time when literacy is falling, means there's
                    only a smaller and smaller pie left. Maybe we need a book club or pen pal system or a noobie hub to make it a friendlier environment. There's a cloud of hostility in the air friends, don't let it take you. Ape strong together.

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                    • super_user_doS super_user_do

                      Our numbers might be small just because we are humans who care about, well, human interaction lol. So it's not us to be unpopular, but big corpos to be overinflated by bots and shit

                      Thank you for your observation ✌️

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                      🍉 Albert 🍉
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                      #630

                      Growth for growth sake is one of the most toxic concepts in modern society.

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                      • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                        I came to this space in November of 2024.

                        As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.

                        So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.

                        I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.

                        So no more .db0

                        I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.

                        Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute

                        I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.

                        Bad app :c

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                        gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
                        wrote last edited by
                        #631

                        ooh, SoftestSapphic, i remember seeing your memes 🙂 i liked them

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                        • D dudesss@lemmy.ca

                          What's a tankie and what makes them close to Nazis?

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                          tattorack@lemmy.world
                          wrote last edited by tattorack@lemmy.world
                          #632

                          A tankie is a kind of person who likes Imperialism and expansionism so long as it comes from something related to, as the other user said, Marxist-Leninism.

                          The origin of Marxist-Leninism is Russia, so they support Russia invading things, and committing warcrimes, and make all sorts of excuses for such acts.

                          Today they're primarily in support of the Russian side in the Russo-Ukranian war, do not consider it an invasion of a sovereign nation, and consider it fully justified as an act to oppose "NATO expansion".

                          Essentially, to a tankie, nothing "goes too far" if they can somehow connect it to a Marxist-Leninist agenda, and behave the same way about Putin as a right-wing American behaves about Trump.

                          Nearly forgot; the name "tankie" comes from how Russia overwhelmingly uses tanks to invade territories.

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                          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                            I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                            the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                            So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                            edit: source for the graph

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                            Prime Root
                            wrote last edited by
                            #633

                            Recommended this space for my friends after being a fan of the old reddit

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                            • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                              I came to this space in November of 2024.

                              As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.

                              So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.

                              I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.

                              So no more .db0

                              I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.

                              Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute

                              I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.

                              Bad app :c

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                              fedditor385@lemmy.world
                              wrote last edited by
                              #634

                              So, basically instead of having one huge gatekeeper, we now have many smaller ones.

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                              • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                                I came to this space in November of 2024.

                                As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.

                                So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.

                                I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.

                                So no more .db0

                                I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.

                                Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute

                                I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.

                                Bad app :c

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                                cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
                                wrote last edited by
                                #635

                                Hexbear is super trans inclusive (50ish% of users are trans per the last survey) and bans transphobia instantly, you may fit right in 🙂

                                ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]E softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • F fedditor385@lemmy.world

                                  So, basically instead of having one huge gatekeeper, we now have many smaller ones.

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                                  randomgal@lemmy.ca
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #636

                                  This. It was never about not having gatekeepers, it was always about being the gatekeeper instead.

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                                  • C cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com

                                    Hexbear is super trans inclusive (50ish% of users are trans per the last survey) and bans transphobia instantly, you may fit right in 🙂

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                                    ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]E This user is from outside of this forum
                                    ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]
                                    wrote last edited by edie@lemmy.ml
                                    #637

                                    I'm pretty sure I remember SS, and I'm not sure they're going to fit in

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                                    • tattorack@lemmy.worldT tattorack@lemmy.world

                                      A tankie is a kind of person who likes Imperialism and expansionism so long as it comes from something related to, as the other user said, Marxist-Leninism.

                                      The origin of Marxist-Leninism is Russia, so they support Russia invading things, and committing warcrimes, and make all sorts of excuses for such acts.

                                      Today they're primarily in support of the Russian side in the Russo-Ukranian war, do not consider it an invasion of a sovereign nation, and consider it fully justified as an act to oppose "NATO expansion".

                                      Essentially, to a tankie, nothing "goes too far" if they can somehow connect it to a Marxist-Leninist agenda, and behave the same way about Putin as a right-wing American behaves about Trump.

                                      Nearly forgot; the name "tankie" comes from how Russia overwhelmingly uses tanks to invade territories.

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                                      dudesss@lemmy.ca
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #638

                                      Oh, I don't think I've witnessed one here.

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                                      • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]E ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]

                                        I'm pretty sure I remember SS, and I'm not sure they're going to fit in

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                                        cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
                                        wrote last edited by cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
                                        #639

                                        Unfortunate shortening for the username lmao took me a while to understand. Maybe let them decide about it?

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                                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                          I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                                          the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                                          So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                                          edit: source for the graph

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                                          ton@lemmy.world
                                          wrote last edited by ton@lemmy.world
                                          #640

                                          As much I love the idea of Lemmy, I've noticed myself I was drawn back to Reddit. Why? Because it has a larger community, of course, but (and please don't shoot me for this), Reddit's algo and rewards. Yes, the achievements gallery is stupid, but it works.

                                          The folks building Lemmy investigating how to increase engagement, this is one factor.

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