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  • S squaresinger@lemmy.world

    Sure, you’re right there - but an instance that kept having problems with removing CSAM would find itself defederated.

    Depends... Imagine it also contains some of the most relevant communities and defederating would mean you lose users. That's not such an easy decision any more. Also, at that point hosting would likely be so expensive that for-profit instances would emerge, and for those defederating an important community wouldn't be such an easy choice either.

    But it's not only CSAM. For example, there's illegal speech in quite a few parts of the world. In Germany, for example, a lot of nazi-related stuff is illegal. In russia or china some regime-critical speech is illegal. I wouldn't be too surprised if the US also joins this club sometime in the near future.

    Actually, if you are a non US citizen and you and you want to travel to the USA, it's already troublesome if you are hosting a website with anti-Trump content.

    That kind of stuff is unlikely to be deleted on the original instance if that instance isn't hosted in the same country.

    Yes, so not financial. You seemed to be implying it was financial.

    Sorry if that came across. I said lemm.ee was shutdown because of the scaling issue. I could have been more clear with that I meant the moderation scaling issues.

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    Skavau
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    Depends… Imagine it also contains some of the most relevant communities and defederating would mean you lose users. That’s not such an easy decision any more. Also, at that point hosting would likely be so expensive that for-profit instances would emerge, and for those defederating an important community wouldn’t be such an easy choice either.

    I don't think that would save it, to be honest.

    People would just clone the communities on other instances and rebuild.

    I suspect eventually lemmy/piefed federation will not be automatic, but subject to approval.

    But it’s not only CSAM. For example, there’s illegal speech in quite a few parts of the world. In Germany, for example, a lot of nazi-related stuff is illegal. In russia or china some regime-critical speech is illegal. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US also joins this club sometime in the near future.

    No-one cares what Russia or China thinks here. Germany? I mean, sure, but this is also a complication for any regulatory bodies trying to police social media sites. As "Lemmy" or "Piefed", as you know, are not singular entities.

    Sorry if that came across. I said lemm.ee was shutdown because of the scaling issue. I could have been more clear with that I meant the moderation scaling issues.

    Yeah, in part because they had a "no defederation" policy which came to bite them back.

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    • P pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe

      Can you make posts/comments criticizing china, russia and the various horrific shit perpetrated by dictators of said country?

      My one issue with tankies is that. Otherwise I openly welcome leftist ideas.

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      cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
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      Can you make posts/comments criticizing china, russia

      If they're nuanced, yes. "China bad" is not accepted, but there's plenty of criticism of China in Hexbear. A Chinese member called Xiaohongshu routinely posts comments and critiques of Chinese policy, such as failing to leave neoliberalism behind and maintaining dollar hegemony for its own benefit. There's also been big criticism recently for the lack of material support to Venezuela against US imperialist invasion. What's not accepted is "vuvuzela no iPhone", "tinyman square" or "ruzzians are bloodthirsty orcs", and it's honestly refreshing.

      I've discussed this at length, but I'll try and explain myself here too: the problem is not that Marxists don't want representation of the mistakes and bad policies that did happen in Actually Existing Socialist countries. The problem is that they're overmagnified and given extremely long coverage and attention whereas western atrocities, by all means much more violent and deadly, are just brushed off and not discussed. The problem is not that people discuss gulags and gulag victims, we should totally do that. The problem is that for every gulag museum there should be 10 colonialism museums because colonialism murdered hundreds of millions. Until there isn't this proportional representation, you must understand why Marxists are fed up with discussion exclusively of socialist bad policies.

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      • MubelotixM Mubelotix

        Except it's not 2 days old

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        banme@lemmy.world
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        So relative dating doesn't work. It says 2 days, and many things on my front page say 2 days old, which has been true for a while.

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        • B bazell@lemmy.zip

          I agree with you. I just say the possibilities based on statistics. I also like Lemmy more than Reddit. The only issue is that there are missing some specialized comunities like the one about Pyrotechnics(the only one existing on Lemmy is on the dead instance, thus having no activity), for example.

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          gardengeek@europe.pub
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          Jep, I think the lack of specialized communities is definetly a problem. However I think this is, in the last resort, mostly up to us as users. If we don't create content for topics we find interesting... who else could?

          But I also get that possible reddit refugees who are used to lurk on content instead of creating it (I don't exclude myself here) will find the plattform(s) to empty to be satisfied.

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          • L lightnsfw@reddthat.com

            It's just less busy. So conversations on one topic go on for longer, is that such a bad thing?

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            Skavau
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            I think he is filtering by active which keeps posts still receiving lots of comments very high.

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            • The Bard in GreenT The Bard in Green

              I have kind of the opposite experience. When I go on reddit, I feel depressed and angry, when I go on Lemmy I laugh and learn stuff. Probably the communities I subscribe to though. I get political and regional news from Reddit (and don't have an actual reddit account anymore). I get funny science and Star Trek memes from Lemmy and cyber security and tech news.

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              jabbathethott@lemmy.world
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              Most of the fun communities I've found are pretty dead so my feed is just full of world and tech news that is usually sad, aggravating, or misleading. No, I don't need another story of battery technology I'll never use on my feed.

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              • S Skavau

                I disagree if the defederated instances are maladaptive and export bad behaviour.

                In addition, I don't think lemmy.world or lemmy.ml have been defederated by anyone notable. The only example of lemmy.world being defederated, that I know, is beehaw.org. And I believe that Beehaw.org isn't interested in growth.

                The fediverse is not a single amorphous bloc with the same overall goals of growth.

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                tropicaldingdong@lemmy.world
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                The fediverse is not a single amorphous bloc with the same overall goals of growth.

                I mean, sure. I guess still people are on Fark. and Digg. And even still posting to Craigslist forums.

                And growth is a matter of survival. You don't grow, you don't survive.

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                • M moffkalast@lemmy.world

                  When this post is two days old and still on the very top of my feed you know that it's either a ghost town or the sorting algo doesn't work.

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                  pudutr0n@lemmy.world
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                  Some of us are still fighting in the replies.

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                  • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                    I came to this space in November of 2024.

                    As a trans person I wanted community. So I checked out blahaj first. But, the queer community here is controlled by Ada who bans anyone she doesn't like and i ticked her off once by not bowing to her judgement when it came to allowing trolls to stay in the space. This drama also splintered the 196 community, and neither 196 space has had the same number of participants since.

                    So no more queer community for me. I've had to get that other places like Tumblr.

                    I then decide to use the .db0 community to report what I feel is abusive behavior from .blahaj staff and after enough time they realized that they really don't like people using the "report abuse community" to report abuse of specific spaces like blahaj. Banned for using the space for what it was created for.

                    So no more .db0

                    I'm just so tired of using this space, it feels just like reddit except there's somehow even less accountability.

                    Every week i feel less and less compelled to contribute

                    I used to enjoy posting like a dozen memes a day and now I don't post anymore. It's not fun it's a chore to keep feeding memes and engagement into this space that pretty much only has told me it hates me for the last year.

                    Bad app :c

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                    banme@lemmy.world
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                    #687

                    Mods like Ada will destroy Lemmy in general.

                    Edit: I'll elaborate. Ada will not only ban you if you hurt their feelings, they'll also ban you across several other communities even if you've never posted in them. That's absurd. Must have onion-thin skin. Who acts like that?

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                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                      I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                      the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                      So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                      edit: source for the graph

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                      captpretentious@lemmy.world
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                      The more niche communities really suffer I feel from the decentralized pattern. Tv shows, movies, video games, etc. you have everyone trying to be the "de-facto" instance and none of them really get traffic.

                      Really, Lemmy is just a US political platform with some weak notions of being anything else. And if it wants to survive, it needs more people, with more interesting topic. To many subs are just ghost towns.

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                      • S Skavau

                        I think he is filtering by active which keeps posts still receiving lots of comments very high.

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                        lightnsfw@reddthat.com
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                        Seems like it. That's what I do and it is the same for me. But I like it that way.

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                        • C cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com

                          Yes, that's why it's inclusive of trans and bans transphobia, that's a good thing! An internet space without overt Zionism, transphobia... It feels great

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                          softestsapphic@lemmy.world
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                          The way in which you can't even aknowledge the problems with your fascist ideology is reqlly crrepy and dystopian. You come off like there is a CCP state agent pointing a gun at your head as you write every comment.

                          Sorry you can't ban me in this space cowbee :c

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                          • C cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com

                            I'm not Cowbee, I just appreciate Cowbee, as my username says. Cowbee is the opposite of supporting dictatorships, he's a socialist supporting the struggle against western imperialism.

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                            Cowbee is the same kind of "socialist" as wernher von braun

                            Also you aren't fooling anyone with your ban evasion account. At least change up your cadence or something.

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                            • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                              I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                              the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                              So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                              edit: source for the graph

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                              zen@lemmy.zip
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                              I'm going to be frank.

                              I'm highly empathetic, and studied history, sociology, economics, international relations, and a few other subjects in university. I dabble in reading as well.

                              It's really, really hard for me to stomach the news coming out of the US right now. I'm Australian, so in comparison I live in a utopia. But I just want to cry whenever I see how innocent people are being hurt in the US, Venezuela, Palestine, or really anywhere else. I get angry when I see how the US government, and many others are fucking everything up right now. Things don't have to be like this.

                              There is so much American news on this platform. There is so much bad news in general. I don't come to the internet to stress and worry. I come here to learn stuff about niches and chill out. And every time I'm on Lemmy I'm left with the same bad feelings I get from reading world news subreddits.

                              Let me be clear; I have no problem with the fact that American news gets posted. It's that when I get on the lemmy.zip or lemmy.world page, some days 9/10 links are to American news, that is very, very, bad news. It makes me miserable.

                              So why should I be here instead of just switching off? I love Lemmy, but I find that I just can't justify coming on here. It makes me feel awful.

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                              • Z zen@lemmy.zip

                                I'm going to be frank.

                                I'm highly empathetic, and studied history, sociology, economics, international relations, and a few other subjects in university. I dabble in reading as well.

                                It's really, really hard for me to stomach the news coming out of the US right now. I'm Australian, so in comparison I live in a utopia. But I just want to cry whenever I see how innocent people are being hurt in the US, Venezuela, Palestine, or really anywhere else. I get angry when I see how the US government, and many others are fucking everything up right now. Things don't have to be like this.

                                There is so much American news on this platform. There is so much bad news in general. I don't come to the internet to stress and worry. I come here to learn stuff about niches and chill out. And every time I'm on Lemmy I'm left with the same bad feelings I get from reading world news subreddits.

                                Let me be clear; I have no problem with the fact that American news gets posted. It's that when I get on the lemmy.zip or lemmy.world page, some days 9/10 links are to American news, that is very, very, bad news. It makes me miserable.

                                So why should I be here instead of just switching off? I love Lemmy, but I find that I just can't justify coming on here. It makes me feel awful.

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                                Skavau
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                                If you move to piefed.zip, you have more control over your feed via keyword filters.

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                                • super_user_doS super_user_do

                                  Hey Bro i think you forgot to wear this 👑👑👑👑

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                                  🍉 Albert 🍉
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                                  noooo, I didn't want to lose my head in the guillotine,

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                                  • C captpretentious@lemmy.world

                                    The more niche communities really suffer I feel from the decentralized pattern. Tv shows, movies, video games, etc. you have everyone trying to be the "de-facto" instance and none of them really get traffic.

                                    Really, Lemmy is just a US political platform with some weak notions of being anything else. And if it wants to survive, it needs more people, with more interesting topic. To many subs are just ghost towns.

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                                    tropicaldingdong@lemmy.world
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                                    A big part of that is on the design side. We really need the ability to fork/ clone/ merge/ migrate communities across instances. Lemmy was designed to be an "entire" reddit replacement. Because of this, we end up with redundant communities with less activity. Migration of accounts and communities could effectively solve this issue.

                                    Its possibly lemmy could have been designed such that communities of similar type could be aggregated into a single instance. For example, maybe you start a "snowboarding" community on .world, but when a sports focused instance pops up, you might want to migrate your community. A few instances build like this.

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                                    • Z zaphod@sopuli.xyz

                                      Hacker News is currently drowning in "I did something with AI" posts.

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                                      zen@lemmy.zip
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                                      I really can't with Hacker News. The new US food guidelines were a good example. Every single damn comment was defending the inclusion of beef and dairy in it, especially saturated fat.

                                      So many disgusting pro-AI comments strawmanning anti-AI opinions too.

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                                      • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                                        Cowbee is the same kind of "socialist" as wernher von braun

                                        Also you aren't fooling anyone with your ban evasion account. At least change up your cadence or something.

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                                        cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
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                                        My main account is @vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net, I'm really not lying to you. But I feel honored to be compared to comrade Cowbee

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                                        • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS softestsapphic@lemmy.world

                                          The way in which you can't even aknowledge the problems with your fascist ideology is reqlly crrepy and dystopian. You come off like there is a CCP state agent pointing a gun at your head as you write every comment.

                                          Sorry you can't ban me in this space cowbee :c

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                                          cowbee_admirer@reddthat.com
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                                          I'm not Cowbee

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