Bluesky just verified ICE
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You know that the problem isn’t that they’re verifying the gestapo, it’s that they’re platforming and subsequently legitimising them.
they’re platforming and subsequently legitimising them.
You could make that argument about them being allowed to have an account at all, but simply marking that account in such a way that informs the userbase that it's not a troll/parody account or something, but the actual organization?
That doesn't "platform" them, they're already on the platform at the time this happened. And confirming that something asserted to be true, is in fact true, is a good thing.
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If ICE tried to verify their account on Lemmy it would be permabanned instantly
Might depend what instance. They wouldn't try to verify on db0 because yes, they would be banned instantly with prejudice. They would probably just hop on Lemmy.world or something.
Furthermore, it would be better if the US Government just put up their own instance. Let each instance decide whether or not to federate with them, and let users decide if they want to follow them or not.
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I don't think anyone impersonating gestapo would post anything worse than they already do, so there's no damage there
You haven't been on the Internet very long, huh?
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The block log is public. It's basically giving uncle Sam a list of targets to hit next.
Instead burn the bridge connecting to bsky, or ignore the account clientside which is not public.
Lemmy blocks are really just mutes. On mastodon, admins can see if you blocked someone.
The fediverse really isn't better in this regard.
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The new corporate platform is just as problematic as the old corporate platform made by the same person? Wow, what a revelation.
Jack Dorsey has little involvement in bluesky.
He rage quit the board of directors after they started moderating content.
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Bsky is actually quite centralized. Bluesky the company owns the only full-network indexer (I think they call it a "relay" or something), which collects posts from all other servers and allows those posts to be rendered by various apps (e.g. bsky.app, but all other frontends use the same indexer). They could just ban them at indexer level.
But even that is moot, because they are letting them host their account on a server Bluesky the company owns, bsky.social.
There's another relay: https://atproto.africa/ .
Relays don't index posts, they collect them from different servers, and provide a "firehouse" of events.
You can crawl pdses directly, akin to the fediverse. AppViewLite does this (and is lightweight enough to run on a phone).
You don't need a relay or appview with https://reddwarf.app/ .
The fediverse also has relays.
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If ICE tried to verify their account on Lemmy it would be permabanned instantly
I don't ban anyone or any instance in my own instance, so no they cannot be "parammanned" from Lemmy. That's not how it works and why i like Lemmy and its principles.
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Block them if you want. Block lists are public so... use caution.
There are MANY government accounts on Blusky. I think if they did not verify them, the government would find someone to buy them or shut them down. Use your heads here.
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On paper it's a government agency which would normally be allowed to have verification.
However it is a government agency functioning more like a hate group, right now very inimical to the concept and idea of civil rights (already enshrined as law), and hostile to diversity and social justice; with absolutely no regulation of its activities, it is an agency mandated directly by the executive to remove anyone who is not white and Christian.
Unfortunately, Bluesky still has to verify them.
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Why are people so max about this?
Because they want corporations to do their job for them of holding the government accountable.
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You know that the problem isn’t that they’re verifying the gestapo, it’s that they’re platforming and subsequently legitimising them.
Wake up. Ice, being government, it's already legitimized enough in real life.
What difference would it make in the social media. Better if they are out in the open in social media instead, at least they get responsible for what they post, officially.
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Posting propaganda for a terrorist organization engaged in widespread public abuse is against their rules, do they allow official verified pages for groups like ISIS or Boko Harem?
They haven’t posted anything yet.
‘Official verified’ isn’t a thing on bluesky. It’s self-verification, just means you own the domain.
Most western governments are terrorist. Can you name an administration that isn’t guilty of war crimes? Should they all be automatically blocked from socials?
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Block them if you want. Block lists are public so... use caution.
There are MANY government accounts on Blusky. I think if they did not verify them, the government would find someone to buy them or shut them down. Use your heads here.
I prefer the instance blocking Nazis instead of users manually having to do so.
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The block log is public. It's basically giving uncle Sam a list of targets to hit next.
Instead burn the bridge connecting to bsky, or ignore the account clientside which is not public.
You don't have to be such a bitch about everything. If you guys can't even work up the courage to block a government account on an obscure social media site for fear of reprisal then you might as well enroll yourself for deportation right now because you clearly don't have what it takes to do anything actually useful to stop all this.
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why is this such an issue?? it just shows everyone who to clown on more?
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Yeah, so? Verification just means they are who they say they are. It doesn't mean Bluesky endorses their posts.
The White House has a verified Bluesky account, too. They haven't posted anything in months, though, presumably because of all the ratio-ing.
So?
Any place Nazis are allowed is not a place I want to be. At least on any Lemmy server I'd not block, Nazis get banned
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Everyone responding here and confused why this matters seem not get the point. This post is just a warning that the types of people most of us don't want to associate with are now on that platform. The problem is not that they are verified, it's that they exist there at all.
Edit: some reasonable arguments have been made here for allowing these Nazis on Blue sky, which I originally thought was a bad idea, but maybe disallowing them won't actually solve anything and may exacerbate things. I don't know. I'll think about it some more.
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Wake up. Ice, being government, it's already legitimized enough in real life.
What difference would it make in the social media. Better if they are out in the open in social media instead, at least they get responsible for what they post, officially.
What difference would it make in the social media.
Apparently you slept through a fascist dictator rising to power by manipulating desperate people, specifically on social media.
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Yeah, so? Verification just means they are who they say they are. It doesn't mean Bluesky endorses their posts.
The White House has a verified Bluesky account, too. They haven't posted anything in months, though, presumably because of all the ratio-ing.
A private group publishing posts for another group is exactly the act of endorsing their posts.
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How about kick them off the platform? Make a big deal about doing it. Tell them to fuck off. Stop tolerating intolerance. I don’t know how blue sky works, but surely there is a way to kick them off of the platform.
Nah tolerating intolerance has been working out well so far. I mean "free speech" is worth literally any price, and further, we should never pressure private companies to align with common morality. That's just censorship!!
HUGE /s, and thank you for an actually sane take ITT.
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