Bluesky just verified ICE
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So, trying to parse what's going on here.
Bluesky has verified that an account claiming to belong to the US government agency ICE really is controlled by that agency. Somehow that shows that Mastodon is better. Because Trump has his own Mastodon instance and doesn't need anyone to vouch for his goons?
Looking at the comments, maybe the issue is rather that the Bluesky company provides services to ICE. Tech companies should refuse service. Huh. I guess there is more diversity of opinion on Lemmy than I had thought, regarding the power of tech companies, democracy, and law.
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So, trying to parse what's going on here.
Bluesky has verified that an account claiming to belong to the US government agency ICE really is controlled by that agency. Somehow that shows that Mastodon is better. Because Trump has his own Mastodon instance and doesn't need anyone to vouch for his goons?
Looking at the comments, maybe the issue is rather that the Bluesky company provides services to ICE. Tech companies should refuse service. Huh. I guess there is more diversity of opinion on Lemmy than I had thought, regarding the power of tech companies, democracy, and law.
Bluesky is a centralized platform and their mods don't ban Nazis.
Trump being able to clone Mastodon is not the same as letting Trump on Mastodon.social
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Too many people thought that Twitters Blue Checkmark meant you were special. That attitude carries over to Bluesky and being verified.
Lol, yeah. If I saw an account labeled "American Nazi Party" with a blue check mark, I wouldn't think "wow, Bluesky endorses Nazis" - I'd think "wow, this isn't a satire account, these are actual Nazis, imma block them."
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Are they banned in Mastodon? Lmao
There is no Mastodon for them to be blocked on in the sense you're talking about.
Mastodon is similar in setup to Lemmy in that nobody owns it and anyone can run it. I am absolutely positive they are banned on tons of Mastodon servers and not banned on tons of others. If the server you are on is federated with even one server with one that isn't banned, you could potentially see their posts, at which point you can either report those posts to your and their admins, or block them yourself.
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Everyone responding here and confused why this matters seem not get the point. This post is just a warning that the types of people most of us don't want to associate with are now on that platform. The problem is not that they are verified, it's that they exist there at all.
Edit: some reasonable arguments have been made here for allowing these Nazis on Blue sky, which I originally thought was a bad idea, but maybe disallowing them won't actually solve anything and may exacerbate things. I don't know. I'll think about it some more.
They have always been on there. There have been waves of brigading and trolling, etc. BlueSky's blocking tools and options for no algorithm dramatically limit their visibility, and they eventually have no impact and get bored and eventually go away.
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I prefer the instance blocking Nazis instead of users manually having to do so.
So you're not using your head then.
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So you're not using your head then.
You think Nazis should not be banned by admins on your instance?
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I don't ban anyone or any instance in my own instance, so no they cannot be "parammanned" from Lemmy. That's not how it works and why i like Lemmy and its principles.
Find out how long your Lemmy instance stays federated with the rest of the big instances once you start hosting Nazis
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You don't have to be such a bitch about everything. If you guys can't even work up the courage to block a government account on an obscure social media site for fear of reprisal then you might as well enroll yourself for deportation right now because you clearly don't have what it takes to do anything actually useful to stop all this.
You hurt someone's feelings, but are extremely accurate.
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What difference would it make in the social media.
Apparently you slept through a fascist dictator rising to power by manipulating desperate people, specifically on social media.
Like the white house, department of homeland security, and others before them, the account will get no traction and be ignored. It is currently working really well on bluesky.
When they mandate visibility a la Twitter, that is the problem. But they don't.
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I .. don't understand? Are they bad because they verified them? Why the "welcome" comment, that's not what Verification is? Are they "platforming" them? I don't get what is the preferred outcomes?
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Everyone responding here and confused why this matters seem not get the point. This post is just a warning that the types of people most of us don't want to associate with are now on that platform. The problem is not that they are verified, it's that they exist there at all.
Edit: some reasonable arguments have been made here for allowing these Nazis on Blue sky, which I originally thought was a bad idea, but maybe disallowing them won't actually solve anything and may exacerbate things. I don't know. I'll think about it some more.
No, that's exactly what I thought, and I'm still confused as why this is bad? Do people want baby's first echo chamber again?
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No, that's exactly what I thought, and I'm still confused as why this is bad? Do people want baby's first echo chamber again?
It's not hard to understand that people want Nazi ideology to be rejected.
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It's not hard to understand that people want Nazi ideology to be rejected.
I do. But.. how will that happen if they are not verified...?
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Eh. I don't use bsky, and think most current ICE staff should be imprisoned for terrorism for the rest of their lives, but I don't want any communications services to decide which entities should and shouldn't be verified. That's how you end up with power-tripping mods, propaganda bubbles, and censorship (exactly what fascists are doing with X, fb, tiktok, etc).
The goal should be an open protocol where users/orgs can sign messages cryptographically (like PGP) and every other user can decide which users, feeds, or algos they subscribe to without censorship. Like, if I subscribe to my friends and family (trusted sources), or friends of friends, I don't want any form of moderation between them and me, but the freedom to sub to moderated topics is also necessary for public (untrusted sources) feeds/comms.
Nah balls to that. This is simple paradox of tolerance shit, anti-social ideology doesn't get a platform in the marketplace of ideas.
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There is no Mastodon for them to be blocked on in the sense you're talking about.
Mastodon is similar in setup to Lemmy in that nobody owns it and anyone can run it. I am absolutely positive they are banned on tons of Mastodon servers and not banned on tons of others. If the server you are on is federated with even one server with one that isn't banned, you could potentially see their posts, at which point you can either report those posts to your and their admins, or block them yourself.
So the mastodon service supports Nazis.
nobody owns it and anyone can run it
They could have chosen a license that forbid usage for spreading hate. They put "free software" and "open source" above blocking hate speech.
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So you want a Nazi bar. Ok.
That's a nice strawman you've built for yourself. What's their name?
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Lol, yeah. If I saw an account labeled "American Nazi Party" with a blue check mark, I wouldn't think "wow, Bluesky endorses Nazis" - I'd think "wow, this isn't a satire account, these are actual Nazis, imma block them."
And miss out on all the juicy trolling opportunities?
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There's another relay: https://atproto.africa/ .
Relays don't index posts, they collect them from different servers, and provide a "firehouse" of events.
You can crawl pdses directly, akin to the fediverse. AppViewLite does this (and is lightweight enough to run on a phone).
You don't need a relay or appview with https://reddwarf.app/ .
The fediverse also has relays.
Good to know there's a second full-network relay (assuming this is what it is). Last time I checked all third-party relays only indexed some sections of the network, so my knowledge was outdated.
Conceptually relays are the indexers of the network, you can view individual PDSes without them, but you won't get cross-PDS discovery; this is because PDSes don't actually federate with each other.
This means that in practice, relays define what it means to be "on bluesky". If you are banned on all relays, your PDS becomes just a weird standalone microblog.
This is different from the fediverse, where all instances federate with each other by default and relays just enhance discoverability and connectivity, rather than being the only way to do it.
And in any case this is all a bit academic, bluesky are hosting nazis on their own PDS, bsky.social.
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Find out how long your Lemmy instance stays federated with the rest of the big instances once you start hosting Nazis
You don't get it: I am and will remain the only user of my instance...
Do you even now how Lemmy works? Did I say I was going to let ICE people create users on my instance? I only said I don't defederate any instance.
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