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Bluesky just verified ICE

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  • Pirate2377P Pirate2377

    Normally I'd agree, but ICE is a government organization and since people get their news on social media these days, it makes sense that ICE doesn't get banned as long as they follow ToS.

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    7101334@lemmy.world
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    #181

    "Normally I'd agree, but slave catchers are government agents and since people get their news from newspapers these days, it makes sense that my local newspaper allow them to run segments about why black people don't deserve freedom"

    ok liberal

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    • 7 7101334@lemmy.world

      "Normally I'd agree, but slave catchers are government agents and since people get their news from newspapers these days, it makes sense that my local newspaper allow them to run segments about why black people don't deserve freedom"

      ok liberal

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      Thus why I mentioned that they must follow the ToS. If they actually did start to post discriminatory content or hate speech on Bluesky, then they should by all means become banned like everyone else would since that would be breaking ToS. Those "gotta catch em all" posts on Twitter is not going to be tolerated by Bluesky...at least I hope. If not, then I suppose you're right, Mastodon is the only place that won't platform fascist propaganda...at least not on the main instance

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      • Pirate2377P Pirate2377

        Thus why I mentioned that they must follow the ToS. If they actually did start to post discriminatory content or hate speech on Bluesky, then they should by all means become banned like everyone else would since that would be breaking ToS. Those "gotta catch em all" posts on Twitter is not going to be tolerated by Bluesky...at least I hope. If not, then I suppose you're right, Mastodon is the only place that won't platform fascist propaganda...at least not on the main instance

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        7101334@lemmy.world
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        #183

        ICE's mere existence is discriminatory and providing them with any platform whatsoever, including a platform where they're forced to feign some degree of legitimacy, furthers that fundamental purpose. You are defending the right of Nazis to do Nazi shit.

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        • optissima@lemmy.worldO optissima@lemmy.world

          Bold of you to assume this person thinks /j

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          saylesss88@eviltoast.org
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          #184

          Good one.......... Let's only suppress speach we dont like... Take off your progressive glasses and look at what happened then vs. now. If you honestly did, you'd see how lazy of an argument it is.

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          • S saylesss88@eviltoast.org

            The claim that Bluesky "verifies Nazis" because ICE got a blue check is peak absurdity—it's a government agency enforcing immigration law, not goose-stepping brownshirts.

            Verification confirms identity/authenticity (anti-impersonation), not endorsement, letting users freely mute/block ICE while spotting fakes (pro/anti-ICE sock puppets).

            To the history blind people comparing ICE to Nazis, If ICE were "Nazis," 2025 inauguration riots get crushed Day 1 with tanks, not due process.

            Reality: routine deportations ≠ death camps.

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            P03 Locke
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            #185

            it’s a government agency enforcing immigration law, not goose-stepping brownshirts.

            "Enforcing immigration law" = Deporting anybody they think looks too brown

            And yes, they are goose-stepping brownshirts, or at least they wish they were.

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            • M massi1008@lemmy.world

              The only thing I love more than government censoring my internet is corporations censoring my internet 🥰

              (You, apparently)

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              metastatistical@lemmy.zip
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              #186

              Paradox of Tolerance

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              • S saylesss88@eviltoast.org

                Good one.......... Let's only suppress speach we dont like... Take off your progressive glasses and look at what happened then vs. now. If you honestly did, you'd see how lazy of an argument it is.

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                optissima@lemmy.world
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                Fixed it for you because you can't recognize the difference between a joke and an argument

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                • S saylesss88@eviltoast.org

                  The claim that Bluesky "verifies Nazis" because ICE got a blue check is peak absurdity—it's a government agency enforcing immigration law, not goose-stepping brownshirts.

                  Verification confirms identity/authenticity (anti-impersonation), not endorsement, letting users freely mute/block ICE while spotting fakes (pro/anti-ICE sock puppets).

                  To the history blind people comparing ICE to Nazis, If ICE were "Nazis," 2025 inauguration riots get crushed Day 1 with tanks, not due process.

                  Reality: routine deportations ≠ death camps.

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                  optissima@lemmy.world
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                  #188

                  routine deportations ≠ death camps

                  You're right, but I do think the deaths in the death camps make them death camps.

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                  • S saylesss88@eviltoast.org

                    Good one.......... Let's only suppress speach we dont like... Take off your progressive glasses and look at what happened then vs. now. If you honestly did, you'd see how lazy of an argument it is.

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                    optissima@lemmy.world
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                    Going to go a step further to point out that freedom of speech only applies to people, not organizations. Put on your reading comprehension glasses and see how lazy of a thinker you are.

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                    • 7 7101334@lemmy.world

                      ICE's mere existence is discriminatory and providing them with any platform whatsoever, including a platform where they're forced to feign some degree of legitimacy, furthers that fundamental purpose. You are defending the right of Nazis to do Nazi shit.

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                      Pirate2377
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                      So I assume you'd be for banning the White House account on Bluesky as well? They're controlled by the fascists right now after all. The New York Times has promoted transphobia in the past and they have a verified Bluesky account. Should they be banned too?

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                      • Pirate2377P Pirate2377

                        So I assume you'd be for banning the White House account on Bluesky as well? They're controlled by the fascists right now after all. The New York Times has promoted transphobia in the past and they have a verified Bluesky account. Should they be banned too?

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                        7101334@lemmy.world
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                        #191

                        Hell yeah let's ban the White House and mainstream media too, now you're getting it! NYT and most mainstream media outlets are also guilty of pro-genocide propaganda.

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                        • 7 7101334@lemmy.world

                          Hell yeah let's ban the White House and mainstream media too, now you're getting it! NYT and most mainstream media outlets are also guilty of pro-genocide propaganda.

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                          Pirate2377
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                          Sounds like one hell of an ecochamber they'd be creating if Bluesky was that strict about it. Guess we really are just segregating polticial ideologies into different platforms now so everyone can continue to become radicalized into opposite directions until there's no choice but to fight a Civil War to defeat the fascists.

                          Oh well, I prefer Mastodon myself. Personally, I only really use Bluesky for following content creators I like. Unfortunately, the chances of someone having a Mastodon account is rare right now (at least in my experience, but I'm still relatively new to the fediverse). I'd rather not be greeted with CSAM whilst doing the same for X anymore. We can at least agree that X should no longer be considered at all.

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                          • Pirate2377P Pirate2377

                            Sounds like one hell of an ecochamber they'd be creating if Bluesky was that strict about it. Guess we really are just segregating polticial ideologies into different platforms now so everyone can continue to become radicalized into opposite directions until there's no choice but to fight a Civil War to defeat the fascists.

                            Oh well, I prefer Mastodon myself. Personally, I only really use Bluesky for following content creators I like. Unfortunately, the chances of someone having a Mastodon account is rare right now (at least in my experience, but I'm still relatively new to the fediverse). I'd rather not be greeted with CSAM whilst doing the same for X anymore. We can at least agree that X should no longer be considered at all.

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                            7101334@lemmy.world
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                            #193

                            Yes, Nazis should be segregated and isolated. Just Nazis, not all "political ideologies". If that's an echo chamber, then ECHOO-OOOO-OOOOO-OOOO mf.

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                            • E ensign_crab@lemmy.world

                              They've been given a platform to spread their hate. Yes.

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                              keenflame@feddit.nu
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                              How can you be sure?

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                              • green_red_blackG green_red_black

                                As fun trolling Fascists is the point is to get them to go away and never come back.

                                Giving them a verified account is counter to that goal

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                                keenflame@feddit.nu
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                                No, it validates that the information is from a real source when they get banned for hate crimes and the actual real ability for that to happen is much, much more important than the actual minimal dampening of propaganda this proposed solution achieves

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                                • K keenflame@feddit.nu

                                  No, it validates that the information is from a real source when they get banned for hate crimes and the actual real ability for that to happen is much, much more important than the actual minimal dampening of propaganda this proposed solution achieves

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                                  green_red_black
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                                  Maybe but I have a better idea…don’t give them an account whatsoever.

                                  They want a microblog they can make it themselves.

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                                  • K keenflame@feddit.nu

                                    How can you be sure?

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                                    ensign_crab@lemmy.world
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                                    They're verified.

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                                    • E ensign_crab@lemmy.world

                                      They're verified.

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                                      keenflame@feddit.nu
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                                      How is being verified spreading hate?

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                                      • K keenflame@feddit.nu

                                        How is being verified spreading hate?

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                                        ensign_crab@lemmy.world
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                                        Verifying a hate group and letting them remain on your platform allows them to spread hate.

                                        I know you get this. You're just wasting my time by playing dumb, so I'm out.

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                                        • E ensign_crab@lemmy.world

                                          Verifying a hate group and letting them remain on your platform allows them to spread hate.

                                          I know you get this. You're just wasting my time by playing dumb, so I'm out.

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                                          keenflame@feddit.nu
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                                          You don't understand. You are dumb to be out. It's their hateful message and entire outfit, and those don't disappear from not existing in your comfort phone pacer feed. They disappear by being deleted WHILE VERIFIED so everyone understands the message. You are blind and entirely a fool

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