"Not A Single Pixel" Of The New Ecco Game Will Be Generated By AI, Insists Series Creator
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LOL, it's not exactly niche right now, my dude.
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I think this still matters in a long term.
Good games tend to be made by big teams. That’s why when you hear about some auteur recruiting his own random team for a game, it ends up being a failed venture usually.
AI is often an effort to replace large teams with small ones, churning someone’s half-baked thoughts into code and art. The result is rarely human and inventive; and in a lot of ways, it tends to show in the end product.
I'm mostly thinking of indie devs and how it can let small teams do more. I think some of these tools are a real boon to the industry, it's quickly becoming trivial to included animated cut scenes for example. I think the human and inventive part can still shine with competent devs.
I'm not advocating for shovelware here or games that are 90% AI, but a lot of teams that can't afford certain dedicated positions would probably benefit from using it in some parts of their game.
If it isn't noticable and gives us a better game, I'm more than willing to ignore the copyright companies constant wailing.
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I'm mostly thinking of indie devs and how it can let small teams do more. I think some of these tools are a real boon to the industry, it's quickly becoming trivial to included animated cut scenes for example. I think the human and inventive part can still shine with competent devs.
I'm not advocating for shovelware here or games that are 90% AI, but a lot of teams that can't afford certain dedicated positions would probably benefit from using it in some parts of their game.
If it isn't noticable and gives us a better game, I'm more than willing to ignore the copyright companies constant wailing.
This is my take at well, but not just for gaming... AI is changing the landscape for all sorts of things. For example, if you wanted a serious, professional grammar, consistency, and similar checks of your novel you had to pay thousands of dollars for a professional editor to go over it.
Now you can just paste a single chapter at a time into a FREE AI tool and get all that and more.
Yet here we are: Still seeing grammatical mistakes, copy & paste oversights, and similar in brand new books. It costs nothing! Just use the AI FFS.
Checking a book with an AI chat bot uses up as much power/water as like 1/100th of streaming a YouTube Short. It's not a big deal.
The Nebula Awards recently banned books that used AI for grammar checking. My take: "OK, so only books from big publishers are allowed, then?"
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Oh god this is going to be awesome to watch this crash and burn
Edit: Oh god I read it wrong, I thought it said the whole thing was going to be generated by AI
Leaving this as proof of my shame
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Not a single one. In fact it will be nothing less than all of the one's
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That's kinda a different case than what everyone is referring to when they're talking about this
However, it's an interesting point: do we know those voice actors are being paid the same as if they did the lines all themselves or is this a studio cheaping out on paying actors to do the job?
There might have been a load of actors who turned the job down before they found someone desperate enough for the money or naive enough to not realise it will likely drive down wages for voice actors if this becomes commonplace.
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They might have used them for fine-tuning, but there is no way that they produced enough samples to train a model from zero.
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I guess I'm an outlier, I judge games on if they are fun to play.
Unfortunately you are not, that's what most people do. We should all be including ethics in our purchases.
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Unfortunately you are not, that's what most people do. We should all be including ethics in our purchases.
I do include ethics in my decisions. My ethics simply aren't dictated by copyright juggernauts.
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I do include ethics in my decisions. My ethics simply aren't dictated by copyright juggernauts.
So all the individual artists who had their work scraped are juggernauts?
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So all the individual artists who had their work scraped are juggernauts?
No. DeviantArt, Universal, Disney, Shutterstock, Instagram and friends are the juggernauts. Artists already gave it all away.
There isn't a scenario where individual artists get a piece of that money. Legislation, if it comes, will protect data aggregators, record companies and Hollywood, with the aim of killing open source.
Google paid 60$ million for Reddit's data and I still haven't received my dollar. Google would also love it if training a model costs so much only they could afford to build a legal one.
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Not a single pixel. So they will not generate a single pixel, but multiple pixels?
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I guess I'm an outlier, I judge games on if they are fun to play.
AI is fascist. anything that uses AI supports fascism.
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I'm so fucking pumped for new Ecco games. I loved the original on Genesis and it's about damn time we get some fresh stuff in the series.
Even better with this statement
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I'm so fucking pumped for new Ecco games. I loved the original on Genesis and it's about damn time we get some fresh stuff in the series.
Even better with this statement
I hope they make an effort with the soundtrack. For me that was a big highlight on all games (specially Sega CD).
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No. DeviantArt, Universal, Disney, Shutterstock, Instagram and friends are the juggernauts. Artists already gave it all away.
There isn't a scenario where individual artists get a piece of that money. Legislation, if it comes, will protect data aggregators, record companies and Hollywood, with the aim of killing open source.
Google paid 60$ million for Reddit's data and I still haven't received my dollar. Google would also love it if training a model costs so much only they could afford to build a legal one.
So it's okay to steal their work for AI and commercial profit because they posted it on the internet?
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I knew that "No AI used" is going to become a huge selling point for many products. And I think this is just the start.
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So it's okay to steal their work for AI and commercial profit because they posted it on the internet?
I'm saying they stopped owning it the moment they put it on the big websites and signed away their work by clicking the box at the end of the ToS. I don't think it's right, just how it is.
I see two choices:
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Scrapping isn't considered theft and we all get easy access to these new tools.
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It's considered theft and the new tools end up behind censored subscription models while shutter stock makes a shit load of money.
Paying every artists what they are worth is a logistical nightmare because of the amount of data needed. It simply won't happen and isn't a realistic scenario. It sucks but sticking your head in the sand and giving a soft monopoly to google and openai only helps google and openai.
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Not a single pixel. So they will not generate a single pixel, but multiple pixels?
Found the lawyer.
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What about the code?
