Something to help people lead to the Fediverse
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Just learned about Piefed. Why does it exist when we already have Lemmy, which alone is already too small for niche communities to pop up as-is? We don't need to fracture an already fractured community. The Piefed devs should merge the project with the Lemmy devs.
It doesn't fracture anything, it is basically a Fediverse reader/writer. It's like opening a txt file in vim, emacs, or nano, they all read and write to that file type at the end of the day. Don't forget, there's also Kbin.
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Just learned about Piefed. Why does it exist when we already have Lemmy, which alone is already too small for niche communities to pop up as-is?
Because some people had ideological differences with some of the Lemmy Devs. So instead of using the software as it's supposed to be used, and simply defederating from instances they didn't like, they went and made their own software which effectively does the same thing as Lemmy.
I guess I don't mind that there's diversity in the Fediverse ecosystem, but at the same time, I feel like the people most adamant about pushing Piefed are doing so, because they want to be in an ideological echo chamber, as opposed to actually furthering the cause of federated social media, and open-source software.
Piefed does a lot of different things to Lemmy right now.
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And that's part of why I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of more diversity in the Fediverse space.
But I do take umbridge with a lot of the "why you should switch to Piefed" rhetoric being based in bizarre "Tankie triad" conspiracism.
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Why would you suggest piefed when it has so much biased hard-code in it's database?
It is clear that Rimu has forced his personal viewpoint and ideology into his code. Despite the claims there has been no evidence that this is the case for Lemmy.
He has coded in deliberatly misleading error messages when you try to upload images he doesn't like
- You cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you’ve made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long
- When a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word “this”, the comment is dropped
- Every user (remote or local) has an “attitude” which is calculated as follows: (upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your “attitude” is < 0.0 you can’t downvote. Again there is no mention of this anywhere but deep within his biased-code
- Every account has a Social Credit Score. If your account has less than 100 Social Credit Score and is newly created, you are not considered “trustworthy” and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your Social Credit Score is calculated as upvotes earned - downvotes earned aka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can’t create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low. Echo-chamber achieved!
- If you use em dashes your account is flagged to the admin, more like 1984-fed
- if you try to comment a .gif ... you fail because the code lord Rimu doesn't like it
- Rimu has turned the block into an instance wide shadowban again without telling anyone
- He has hardcoded which instances are allowed and which arent
- He has hardcoded links to his ideology into the sidebar
- He vindictively targeted a single user with code
The code review can be found here
Maybe someone should do a code review for lemmy to see how those tankies have influenced it.
You know, when people say piefed is like reddit, I don't know if they realize it's exactly like reddit.
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The two devs Nutomic and Deslanies are pro-Russia anti-Ukraine tankies.
One has a GitHub where he posts all his mind numbing theory and goes on about how the Uyghurs aren’t undergoing a genocide or Tiananmen Square never happened.
The other has been caught multiple times making transphobic comments and just generally not giving a shit if transgender people are victims.
Together with some other equally bad people they make up a trio of instances commonly referred to as the “tankie triad” (lemmygrad.ml, Lemmy.ml, and Hexbear.net) where they ban everyone who says critical things about Russia/China and generally push propaganda.
Thanks sock puppet account, very helpful
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Because the Lemmy devs support genocide, love Stalin, and are transphobic.
Oh. Oh no.
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Ok but don't get offended or surprised when people recognize those dogwhistles and think you're the one whistling them.
Its all good after some Nazis get their shit kicked in by punks in doc martens
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You know, when people say piefed is like reddit, I don't know if they realize it's exactly like reddit.
I don't see how those things in total make it like Reddit. For one, Reddit is overrun by AI slop in many areas. Piefed actively tries to mitigate it.
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Glad you agree that Rimu is putting his own beliefs and ideology into the piefed code, any chance you know of similar issues with the lemmy code?
Not if there isn't any documentation and how do the users know if the social credit score is active on their instance? He intentionally makes it hard to know if your image or comment even applies, it is like this bizarre shadowban for anyone the glorious leader doesn't like.So everyone is clear your an alt-account of someone from lemmygrad or Hexbear.
You only seem to be active every few months in very specific posts where your beloved instance pro-Russia propaganda mill is at threat or you can bad mouth people who you don’t agree with.
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Mbin is not as popular as Lemmy or Piefed, so nobody talks about it. Even before Piefed started being popular, Kbin was still not that popular compared to Lemmy in the past nor Piefed right now (might be an exaggeration).
With the Kbin lead dev, Ernest, not being active enough (due to medical reasons), the community forked Kbin, which is what we know today as Mbin.
https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/1383#issuecomment-1999046
Thanks. I knew that kbin had been forked to mbin, but didn't know whether mbin development had continued after that.
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Mbin still exists https://fedidb.com/software/mbin
although the biggest instance, fedia.io, no longer allows anonymous viewing, which is kind of a shame
Thanks. I was wondering if mbin was still actively being used and developed.
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Thanks. I was wondering if mbin was still actively being used and developed.
looking at their Github they're still very active in development! If you want to follow their news !mbinReleases@gehirneimer.de
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@rumba This is where we need to showcase things like Patreon and other ways of people making money from people who truly enjoy there work, pay people not corporations.
Just saw a headline that says apple is gonna try to start taking a 30% cut on patreon payments...
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I modified a image I saw going around last year on
Global Switch Day
https://old.reddit.com/r/solarpunk/comments/1ijmkc0/make_the_switch_away_from_meta/Perhaps we could use it to make people aware of Reddit alternatives etc.
If you can imporve upon the image please do so, and feel free to use it.I just threw it together in KolourPaint in a few min.
Has anyone tried Pleroma or Misskey who can share their experience/opinion?
Just trying to get an idea of what's out there.
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Yes, there is a compact mode in the user settings. It looks a lot like old.reddit. You can see it in action at http://retro.piefed.com/ but it can be used on any instance.
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looking at their Github they're still very active in development! If you want to follow their news !mbinReleases@gehirneimer.de
Cool, thanks!
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I don't see how those things in total make it like Reddit. For one, Reddit is overrun by AI slop in many areas. Piefed actively tries to mitigate it.
Sure, but going down this list, most seems arbitrary and not based on data to mitigate slop bots.
Social credit scores are why I bailed on reddit. Not karma, but their "Contributor quality score" that demands people grind comments to keep the account alive.
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Has anyone tried Pleroma or Misskey who can share their experience/opinion?
Just trying to get an idea of what's out there.
Well, pleroma is kind of like a blend between 2010 imageboards and mastodon, it's kinda small and nice depending on which instance you are. Its used by a lot of personal website thanks to its low weight, and is popular among small independant web creators. You'll rarely see instance with more than 100 users. Biggest one i've found is https://udongein.xyz/ .
Misskey is more or less the same thing, but mainly focused on a japanese audience from what i've seen, with a flashy DUI and a large focus on user customisation with profile picture stickers, statuses, colored fonts, badges, and custom emojis. Biggest misskey instance i've found is misskey.io .
Both are fun, but they are more focused on communities/sharing than politics/news/real world (except misskey on some cases for... japanese reasons). Their smallness also tend to favor circlejerking behavior, but i guess that's an inner principle of the world wide web. They are worth the try.
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Some additional features that PieFed has:
- You can create posts with polls.
- Crossposts shows comments from everywhere that something is crossposted to (organized into their own sections)
- Feeds for combining multiple communities into one.
- You can blur images with spoiler tags instead of having to use NSFW.
- You can tag posts and then filter down posts based on those tags within a community.
- You can set a time/date for when something gets posted.
That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. Otherwise a more complete list can be found here:
https://join.piefed.social/features/All communities with the word ‘meme’ in the name are automatically flagged as low quality but admins can override this on a case-by-case basis.
ok you got me interested
EDIT :
Default Blocks – Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Nazi instances are blocked out of the box.
wait what? I might not have the whole lore but this reads as "communism" is not allowed. I guess that's a feature for some people.
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Well, pleroma is kind of like a blend between 2010 imageboards and mastodon, it's kinda small and nice depending on which instance you are. Its used by a lot of personal website thanks to its low weight, and is popular among small independant web creators. You'll rarely see instance with more than 100 users. Biggest one i've found is https://udongein.xyz/ .
Misskey is more or less the same thing, but mainly focused on a japanese audience from what i've seen, with a flashy DUI and a large focus on user customisation with profile picture stickers, statuses, colored fonts, badges, and custom emojis. Biggest misskey instance i've found is misskey.io .
Both are fun, but they are more focused on communities/sharing than politics/news/real world (except misskey on some cases for... japanese reasons). Their smallness also tend to favor circlejerking behavior, but i guess that's an inner principle of the world wide web. They are worth the try.
That's interesting, thanks!
Both are fun, but they are more focused on communities/sharing than politics/news/real world
That's okay, because those niches seem already filled on the fediverse anyway. I was mostly curious because it seems most of the social media formats have alternatives on the fediverse, except for the classic facebook/myspace where it was originally mostly about keeping up with friends and people you know in real life, joining interest groups, buying/selling used items on marketplace, etc.
