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  • W wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works

    What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?

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    lauchmelder@feddit.org
    wrote last edited by
    #14

    piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don't like right into the application

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    • W wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works

      What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?

      Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
      Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
      Blaze (he/him)
      wrote last edited by
      #15

      Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn't have:

      • multicommunities
      • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
      • crossposts comments consolidation
      • communities moderation features
      • posts and user flairs
      • keyword filters

      https://join.piefed.social/features/

      Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don't have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258

      You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by

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      • W wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works

        What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?

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        nesc@lemmy.cafe
        wrote last edited by
        #16

        https://join.piefed.social/features/

        And it's not being developed by tankies.

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        • lazynoobletL lazynooblet

          The original version of this has Lemmy on there. Why replace with piefed? Could have added instead of replaced.

          Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
          Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
          Blaze (he/him)
          wrote last edited by
          #17

          As someone who's trying to regularly promote the Threadiverse on Reddit, most of the potential new joiners are already overwhelmed with having to choose an instance, so adding another choice between two platforms will just stop them even earlier.

          Regarding the choice of Piefed, it has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn't have:

          • multicommunities
          • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
          • crossposts comments consolidation
          • communities moderation features
          • posts and user flairs
          • keyword filters

          https://join.piefed.social/features/

          Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don't have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258

          You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by

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          • W wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works

            What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?

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            DeceptichumD This user is from outside of this forum
            Deceptichum
            wrote last edited by deceptichum@quokk.au
            #18

            PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.

            And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there's an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.

            Because I'm sure "they'll" come and rage here once they see this post I'll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they've got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.

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            • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

              Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn't have:

              • multicommunities
              • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
              • crossposts comments consolidation
              • communities moderation features
              • posts and user flairs
              • keyword filters

              https://join.piefed.social/features/

              Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don't have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258

              You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by

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              lauchmelder@feddit.org
              wrote last edited by
              #19

              The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is "disabled by default" people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don't like it's fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don't like yourself

              Blaze (he/him)B tenchikenT whaleross@lemmy.worldW SigntistS 4 Replies Last reply
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              • lazynoobletL lazynooblet

                The original version of this has Lemmy on there. Why replace with piefed? Could have added instead of replaced.

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                neatnit@discuss.tchncs.de
                wrote last edited by
                #20

                The Fediverse's biggest onboarding problem is having too many choices that seem important but don't really matter. Namely, which instance to sign up on. Listing two different platforms that do the same thing and even federate with each other would only make it worse. I'm guessing that's why they only listed one.

                As for why choose one over the other, I don't have a horse in this race, I'm sure they had their reasons.

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                • L lauchmelder@feddit.org

                  The fact these filters exist in the first place are not a good sign. When Microsoft introduces new shitware that is "disabled by default" people are skeptical that it might not be disabled for long, but when a fediverse dev does it to block content they personally don't like it's fine? This goes against the entire concept of the fediverse imho. Just block people you don't like yourself

                  Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
                  Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
                  Blaze (he/him)
                  wrote last edited by
                  #21

                  Microsoft does not operate on a federated model.

                  The Piefed devs have no way to change the configuration of other instances.

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                  • W wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works

                    What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?

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                    T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏
                    wrote last edited by
                    #22

                    Piefed provides sections or slices of the fediverse and often is incorporated with mastodon, whereas Lemmy is a much bigger aspect of the overall fediverse. While everyone is entitled to their option how they approach certain topics, Lemmy's devs have a huge impact on federation protocols, moderation norms, and general user experience across the fediverse!

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                    • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                      Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                      T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏
                      wrote last edited by
                      #23

                      FTFY

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                      • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                        Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                        mrrandom@lemmy.zip
                        wrote last edited by
                        #24

                        I'm 1 foot out of Reddit

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                        • T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏T T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏

                          FTFY

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                          Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
                          wrote last edited by
                          #25

                          I've tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.

                          PieFed doesn't have that bad rep, so I've found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.

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                          • lazynoobletL lazynooblet

                            The original version of this has Lemmy on there. Why replace with piefed? Could have added instead of replaced.

                            Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE This user is from outside of this forum
                            Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE This user is from outside of this forum
                            Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
                            wrote last edited by ek-hou-van-braai@piefed.social
                            #26

                            I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.

                            PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.

                            If I make posts promoting Lemmy on reddit it gets a lot of criticism in the comments becose of the above reasons, so I promote PieFed instead.

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                            • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

                              Microsoft does not operate on a federated model.

                              The Piefed devs have no way to change the configuration of other instances.

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                              lauchmelder@feddit.org
                              wrote last edited by
                              #27

                              if only there was a way for devs to distribute changes to the software they made

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                              • M mrrandom@lemmy.zip

                                I'm 1 foot out of Reddit

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                                miss phant
                                wrote last edited by
                                #28

                                Welcome!

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                                • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                  Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

                                  SdWolf1902S This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  SdWolf1902
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #29

                                  Hello and thank you for making the post! I just joined from reddit and have some questions. I really want to avoid some of the tankies I heard about it on the redditalternative posts.

                                  One of the lemmy servers recommended had this admin and he made this comment recently about piefed

                                  I feel like [PieFed] moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you're literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don't want that, so I won't.

                                  So is PieFed the tankie software or what? I dont' really want to use software that is going to build a social credit score on me or build barriers to actually use the site

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                                  • L lauchmelder@feddit.org

                                    if only there was a way for devs to distribute changes to the software they made

                                    Blaze (he/him)B This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Blaze (he/him)
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #30

                                    If you believe that the Piefed devs would get away with overriding the configuration of other instances with an update, that's not realistic.

                                    Most of the Piefed users (myself included) would leave immediately.

                                    What our experience is is the opposite: the Piefed dev team is always receptive to feedback, and improves the software based on this constantly.

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                                    • renzhexiangjiaoR renzhexiangjiao

                                      piefed isn't made by tankies

                                      SdWolf1902S This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      SdWolf1902
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #31

                                      wait are you sure? there was a lemmy admin talking about how the software is authoritarian and has a "social credit score" that sounds like what a tankie would put in

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                                      • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

                                        Piefed has quite a few features that Lemmy doesn't have:

                                        • multicommunities
                                        • onboarding process asking new joiners what they are into
                                        • crossposts comments consolidation
                                        • communities moderation features
                                        • posts and user flairs
                                        • keyword filters

                                        https://join.piefed.social/features/

                                        Lemmy should get there in version 1.0, but they still don't have any precise timeframe for that release, and still need to do some testing https://lemmy.ml/comment/23570258

                                        You might see a few people discrediting Piefed for some optional filters it offers, but all of those filters are configurable by admins and disabled by default: https://piefed.zip/c/fediverse/p/1005977/piefed-admin-settings-that-allow-to-enable-or-disable-content-filters-they-are-disabled-by

                                        SdWolf1902S This user is from outside of this forum
                                        SdWolf1902S This user is from outside of this forum
                                        SdWolf1902
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #32

                                        How can I pick which piefed server doesn't have the social credit score enabled?

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                                        • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

                                          PieFed updates faster, is responsive to suggestions and user concerns, has way more features such as polls, topics (groups of communities that can be made by users, helps to browse all comms related to a topic) automated posts, it combines cross-post comments into 1 page, etc.

                                          And the Lemmy devs are transphobes, genocide deniers, support Russia invading Ukraine, etc. so there's an ethical component to people not supporting it through using it.

                                          Because I'm sure "they'll" come and rage here once they see this post I'll pre-empt it and say the dev for PieFed is not perfect, no one is, and they've got some code around minimising meme images and 4chan content based on their personal preferences, but that stuffs all optional and can be turned on or off by the instance admins.

                                          SdWolf1902S This user is from outside of this forum
                                          SdWolf1902S This user is from outside of this forum
                                          SdWolf1902
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #33

                                          Ew gross, fuck tankies. I'm really confused so both lemmy and piefed are tankie-adjacent?

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