Would an ActivityPub enabled fediverse alternative of Discord be possible?
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There seems to be a serious lack of a Discord equivalent fediverse platform unlike other social media alternatives. Most of the closest options are either too overwhelming in UI/UX for majority of people coming from Discord, missing deal-breaking features like video calling or are not federated.
Could it due to some technical limitation of the ActivityPub protocol? I skimmed through its documentation and I get the impression that content may not be accommodating of instant messaging without unconventional modifications. It would also be troublesome to federate massive bunch of messages across (physical) servers in real time.
If it were truly possible to create a Discord alternative, what would it take to make it compatible with the fediverse while also ensuring it feels functional and intuitive for migrating users and not pose too much of a resource drain for self hosters?
Edit: Modified title to clarify post talking about ActivityPub in particular
too overwhelming in UI/UX for majority of people coming from Discord
Uhhh, Discord's user experience is one of the most chaotic fever dreams I've ever come across, and is a large part of what makes me want to get away from it (among many other reasons).
One of the really frustrating things about Discord is that people are using it for things that it's not good for. Like documentation, or really anything where a new reader is looking to find a persistent source of information. Chat should be good at chat, and wikis should be easily accessible on the open web - not in an obscure digital group that has to be joined to be seen.
It's like when people start a business and then use facebook as their "site." No that is not a site, and you know what, I don't want to shop there anymore either. Same energy.
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There seems to be a serious lack of a Discord equivalent fediverse platform unlike other social media alternatives. Most of the closest options are either too overwhelming in UI/UX for majority of people coming from Discord, missing deal-breaking features like video calling or are not federated.
Could it due to some technical limitation of the ActivityPub protocol? I skimmed through its documentation and I get the impression that content may not be accommodating of instant messaging without unconventional modifications. It would also be troublesome to federate massive bunch of messages across (physical) servers in real time.
If it were truly possible to create a Discord alternative, what would it take to make it compatible with the fediverse while also ensuring it feels functional and intuitive for migrating users and not pose too much of a resource drain for self hosters?
Edit: Modified title to clarify post talking about ActivityPub in particular
There's actually shoot.
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although XMPP doesn’t necessarily natively have video call, usually you’ll have an accompanying TURN server
The same is true for Matrix and the popular Ejabberd xmpp server has a Stun/Turn server built in, which makes it even easier to setup than what you have on Matrix.
P.S.: Matrix also isn't a messaging protocol. It is a distributed database protocol that has been abused for making a messenger with it.
P.S.: Matrix also isn’t a messaging protocol. It is a distributed database protocol that has been abused for making a messenger with it.
Harsh, but true
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There seems to be a serious lack of a Discord equivalent fediverse platform unlike other social media alternatives. Most of the closest options are either too overwhelming in UI/UX for majority of people coming from Discord, missing deal-breaking features like video calling or are not federated.
Could it due to some technical limitation of the ActivityPub protocol? I skimmed through its documentation and I get the impression that content may not be accommodating of instant messaging without unconventional modifications. It would also be troublesome to federate massive bunch of messages across (physical) servers in real time.
If it were truly possible to create a Discord alternative, what would it take to make it compatible with the fediverse while also ensuring it feels functional and intuitive for migrating users and not pose too much of a resource drain for self hosters?
Edit: Modified title to clarify post talking about ActivityPub in particular
Discord? UUUUGGHHHHH. For chat, XMPP already exists.
But overall, one of the issues of "why does an alternative to XYZ not exist?" is that usually, when we talk about those corporate jails, XYZ does too much for anyone to up and create a 1:1 alternative. This is valid both in and out the Fediverse. Discord is currently a chat platform, a video platform, a streaming platform, a documentation platform (ugggh), an issue tracker (UUUGHHH), an FBI / ICE honeypot, and a picture gallery.
For unreasonable people (the majority of the internet as it would seem), even lacking one of those features is somehow a "deal breaker", when it actually makes perfect sense in terms of maintainability and independence to design and work up an alternative to characteristics such as chat or videos individually, rather than to platforms. Text chat? IRC / XMPP. Video calls? Jitsi. Picture gallery? phpgallery. Documentation? Wikis. Issue tracker? Forgejo / Chiselapp. ICE? Get Kirk'd.
So for people who create solutions for their own scale and usually without a profit or a means to operationally maintain the project, they are at a severe disadvantage that people won't put up the effort to even learn there is an alternative. I'm guessing partly it's because YT, TikTok and ChatGPT have turned people's attention span to brainrot to such a degree they can't follow a simple instruction pamphlet with pictures.
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Discord? UUUUGGHHHHH. For chat, XMPP already exists.
But overall, one of the issues of "why does an alternative to XYZ not exist?" is that usually, when we talk about those corporate jails, XYZ does too much for anyone to up and create a 1:1 alternative. This is valid both in and out the Fediverse. Discord is currently a chat platform, a video platform, a streaming platform, a documentation platform (ugggh), an issue tracker (UUUGHHH), an FBI / ICE honeypot, and a picture gallery.
For unreasonable people (the majority of the internet as it would seem), even lacking one of those features is somehow a "deal breaker", when it actually makes perfect sense in terms of maintainability and independence to design and work up an alternative to characteristics such as chat or videos individually, rather than to platforms. Text chat? IRC / XMPP. Video calls? Jitsi. Picture gallery? phpgallery. Documentation? Wikis. Issue tracker? Forgejo / Chiselapp. ICE? Get Kirk'd.
So for people who create solutions for their own scale and usually without a profit or a means to operationally maintain the project, they are at a severe disadvantage that people won't put up the effort to even learn there is an alternative. I'm guessing partly it's because YT, TikTok and ChatGPT have turned people's attention span to brainrot to such a degree they can't follow a simple instruction pamphlet with pictures.
No-one wants to use these things at scale and the interconnectiveness between different instances on these things are just non-existent.
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Federated does not mean ActivityPub. They federate with each other using (presumably) their own protocol but I don't actually know.
Ok, got you. That's still pretty cool.
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Apparently it's based on "Open Cloud Mesh" (OCM) protocol that they created.
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what do you use? I use tuwunel and it's very fast :3
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what do you use? I use tuwunel and it's very fast :3
I use Conduit. There's often problems with images not being viewable or encryption being broken. And holy hell, the absolute harrassment if a session is not verified. Not to mention that the verification process never works properly.
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I use Conduit. There's often problems with images not being viewable or encryption being broken. And holy hell, the absolute harrassment if a session is not verified. Not to mention that the verification process never works properly.
Conduit isn't really actively developed anymore, and clients are the ones that care about session verification.
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Conduit isn't really actively developed anymore, and clients are the ones that care about session verification.
It is actively developed. They just pushed an update a few weeks ago.
