Rhea Seehorn Wins Golden Globe for Best Actress in a TV Drama "Pluribus"
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
You're not supposed to like Carol Sturka, so great - the writing worked.
I consider Pluribus to be one the really great shows in the last decade, and I also do not like Carol. Often, I'm annoyed by her actions, and once or twice I was really pissed at how she interacted with the Others, because IMHO, there was just so much unnecessary hostility, or she was just being a dense cunt.
Why would a movie, a TV show or a play require the audience to like the protagonist? Outside of these fictional depictions, I'd probably not be acquainted with someone like Carol - but here, I want to watch her. I want to see how she deals with the overall situation, how choices made by someone who is fundamentally different from me play out, how she grows as a character, how she overcomes her flaws, of which there are many, or how she might completely fail. There even is the option I eventually grow to like her. Wouldn't that be great, an actual character arc?
Carol is an alcoholic who doubts her self-worth and has just lost her love, a death which she directly blames on what she considers to be the alien invaders she now has to interact with on a daily basis. She was also recently promoted to one of the greatest mass murderers in history and the isolation she suffered as consequence of her actions made her realize she really can't exist in complete solitude, leading to a complex relationship with an entity she wants to hate. I think she deserves some jagged edges.
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Yeah you don't hear this kind of criticism about unlikeable characters in a lot of fiction, like say Walter Sobchack from The Big Lebowski. He is legitimately terrible, selfish, and controlling. He tries to steal the Big Lebowski's money and then lies to his face at the end of the film saying "as if we'd ever try to steal your dirty money!" What makes Walter such a good character is because of how disarmingly real that is. He's not a person who is actually very likeable at all, but you don't usually get people saying they don't like The Big Lebowski because they don't like Walter.
To be fair to the person I originally responded to, though, Walter's not the main character. It's a lot more common to have unlikable sidekicks who provide a foil to the main character than it is to have unlikable main characters.
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Is that a problem though? The problem for me would be lackluster content and pushing out dozens terrible shows that producers do manage to push out on a yearly schedule. I much rather wait longer, for a better show. I actually believe it's an ad for a show if it has multiple years between seasons. It shows me, as a potential viewer, that the show prioritizes quality over quantity and that the IP is strong enough that the company producing the show is willing to invest in it that many years later.
Oh, you are gonna love reading and then waiting for the Game Of Thrones book series to end.
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Very glad she’s getting her flowers finally. She was half of what made Better Call Saul great and she got zero award recognition for it. Gilligan knew it and doubled down on her.
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Oh, you are gonna love reading and then waiting for the Game Of Thrones book series to end.
I didn't live under a rock
You can probably already make assumptions how I feel about the ending and what I believe they should have done (production) wise.I don't get why they didn't take another year to deliver a qualitative ending. Even when the company believes they have good momentum, which they truly had. They now completely nuked it with that ending. It would have been a god tier series, that people would rewatch countless times. Now it's just remembered as a disappointment.
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I didn't live under a rock
You can probably already make assumptions how I feel about the ending and what I believe they should have done (production) wise.I don't get why they didn't take another year to deliver a qualitative ending. Even when the company believes they have good momentum, which they truly had. They now completely nuked it with that ending. It would have been a god tier series, that people would rewatch countless times. Now it's just remembered as a disappointment.
Lol, no, I meant the book series. Totally agree on the show, that actually did deserve way more time in the oven to cook.
All I'm pointing out is the waiting game can get ridiculous like waiting over a decade for an author to create, granted, a very well done story, while said author goes off to work on other shit cuz he got bored or intimidated or whatever.
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I heard her awhile back on some podcast talking about making her own furniture and she builds it to be easily portable, so she can get the fuck out, if she wants, not a quote
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Yay! Happy for mommy
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Also, she is legitimately a terrible person, right?
That is the point the show is trying to convey?
She strikes me as a "I want mine, fuck yours" type of character.
I could not find myself liking her
The show is a metaphor for AI.
The indian mother can't accept that the chatbot isn't an actual person (her son is not her son).
The guy flying Airforce One knows what's up and loves it, just taking full advantage of it.
The guy from south america hates modern technology and doesn't trust it. And his life is now fucked because everything relies on it.
Carol is a writer, and AI is basically stealing people like her's jobs in real life.
They show how she loses her life that she knows differently in the show, but she hates it just the same. And she has a reason to hate it.The whole part about them starving in 10 years cause they can't create new food is AI not being able to self sustain if everything is AI cause there would be nothing AI can learn from.
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The problem this show will have is the same problem all Apple+ shows have. We'll have to wait multiple years for season 2 and we'll have forgotten what happened in season 1 or just forget about the show entirely.
I rewatched Season 1 of Severance in the runup to Season 2.
If a show is strong, a rewatch enhances the experience. You notice details you might have missed.
I mean, how many people here post about how many times they've seen LOTR?
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I watched these short trailers, and I didn't even bother to see an actual trailer.
I might check it.I feel like I could give away all the spoilers and you'd still enjoy the show.
I love when a show depends on acting to tell a science fiction story, rather than big effects.
[examples include 'The Prisoner' 'Severance' and most of Star Trek TOS.
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Very glad she’s getting her flowers finally. She was half of what made Better Call Saul great and she got zero award recognition for it. Gilligan knew it and doubled down on her.
Well no, she got a healthy fan base and a big paycheck from Better Call Saul, and hundreds of job offers.
These stupid awards are not important.
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The problem this show will have is the same problem all Apple+ shows have. We'll have to wait multiple years for season 2 and we'll have forgotten what happened in season 1 or just forget about the show entirely.
So you would rather have instant access to 40 hours of crap?
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So you would rather have instant access to 40 hours of crap?
I didn't say that at all.
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I heard her awhile back on some podcast talking about making her own furniture and she builds it to be easily portable, so she can get the fuck out, if she wants, not a quote
she builds it to be easily portable, so she can get the fuck out, if she wants
Like a prepper or because she moves around a lot? From an interview I saw it seems like when she grew up she'd always be moving around with her parents, so maybe that has stuck with her in some way.
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she builds it to be easily portable, so she can get the fuck out, if she wants
Like a prepper or because she moves around a lot? From an interview I saw it seems like when she grew up she'd always be moving around with her parents, so maybe that has stuck with her in some way.
She might also be a prepper, don't remember, but it sounded like she liked the convenience and doing it with her own style
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Well no, she got a healthy fan base and a big paycheck from Better Call Saul, and hundreds of job offers.
These stupid awards are not important.
In some regards you're right, in matters of paychecks though, being a emmy/golden globe/oscar winner deffo helps, as they can and will advertise with it.
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Pluribus is not meant to be a comedy.
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I didn't say that at all.
So you'd rather take a baby and throw it off a cliff?!?!?
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The show is a metaphor for AI.
The indian mother can't accept that the chatbot isn't an actual person (her son is not her son).
The guy flying Airforce One knows what's up and loves it, just taking full advantage of it.
The guy from south america hates modern technology and doesn't trust it. And his life is now fucked because everything relies on it.
Carol is a writer, and AI is basically stealing people like her's jobs in real life.
They show how she loses her life that she knows differently in the show, but she hates it just the same. And she has a reason to hate it.The whole part about them starving in 10 years cause they can't create new food is AI not being able to self sustain if everything is AI cause there would be nothing AI can learn from.
Hmm. There's a guy at my work who has fully adopted AI. He has no issues with using it to write and happily consumes AI content.
I got him into Pluribus. And although he enjoyed it he couldn't understand Carol's hostility to the hive. When I pointed out we would gain utopia at the cost of human culture he just shrugged.
