Piefed monthly user activity has increased by nearly 500 in 3 days.
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
That is from an auto-federation system for instances to bulk add new comms across instances. Any community can still be manually added. And I think most of those may have been removed now a few weeks ago. I can literally access enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world from piefed.social and all those other terms.
All new admins need to do to change things is to untick boxes.
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
Can you show me Reddits code?
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Can you show me Reddits code?
The version from 10 years ago, yeah. It's here https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit.
There's a modern and production-ready open source alternative. It's called Lemmy. You can find the source here https://github.com/lemmynet/lemmy
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What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
That is from an auto-federation system for instances to bulk add new comms across instances. Any community can still be manually added. And I think most of those may have been removed now a few weeks ago. I can literally access enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world from piefed.social and all those other terms.
All new admins need to do to change things is to untick boxes.
What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
Fox News would seem like a perfectly fine source of news if you get all your news from Fox News, wouldn't you agree?
Any community can still be manually added.
And you can still manually get any news you want from other channels, Fox News just won't show them.
(I am not saying PieFed is as bad as Fox News, just trying to make an analogy to show that something that "seems to work fine" can be pretty bad for the users nonetheless)
BTW,
!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world(with the exclamation mark up front) to correctly refer to communities. Without the ! that's an email address. -
the great part about all this is you still being able to interact with people on mastodon. killer feature
sounds great, but how do I interact with them? can I choose another server to login from here?
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It is lol. Reddit is a forum disguised as social media, something which does not require complicated recommendation systems to feel complete. Hence lemmy/piefed feel more usable in my opinion.
you right. reddit is just a good, easy to use forum, but this piefed here, too. That is what I like about it.
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sounds great, but how do I interact with them? can I choose another server to login from here?
You can tag a mastodon user in a Lemmy/Piefed-post.
The caveat being that their server has to be connected to your server.
You can't choose another server to log in. Think about it as email - if you are using Gmail, you can't log in to your email using Hotmail. You can write emails to users with Hotmail, but the login only works for your own email provider.
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What are they in for? The site seems to work fine from a user perspective.
Fox News would seem like a perfectly fine source of news if you get all your news from Fox News, wouldn't you agree?
Any community can still be manually added.
And you can still manually get any news you want from other channels, Fox News just won't show them.
(I am not saying PieFed is as bad as Fox News, just trying to make an analogy to show that something that "seems to work fine" can be pretty bad for the users nonetheless)
BTW,
!enoughmuskspam@lemmy.world(with the exclamation mark up front) to correctly refer to communities. Without the ! that's an email address.I don't get this comparison. You are scrutinising the code here as if people coming here without knowledge of how awful it apparently is will apparently be in for a rough ride. That the code excludes communities with certain keywords from being automatically added by the mass federation tool used only by instance owners (many of which have been removed now - as much of it was a copy and paste job from communities designated to shed content after 6 months) doesn't actually impact the user experience just using the site.
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I don't get this comparison. You are scrutinising the code here as if people coming here without knowledge of how awful it apparently is will apparently be in for a rough ride. That the code excludes communities with certain keywords from being automatically added by the mass federation tool used only by instance owners (many of which have been removed now - as much of it was a copy and paste job from communities designated to shed content after 6 months) doesn't actually impact the user experience just using the site.
To me, the sloppy codebase means I wouldn't want to selfhost it. And the presence of hardcoded filtering of things the devs dislike (even if it can be manually worked around) is for me a very good indicator that more shenanigans will come along the line.
If you have no problems with what I mentioned then I don't think we have much in common ground to argue on. You can enjoy PieFed and I will continue to enjoy Lemmy.
I just want people to be informed about these things that I find highly problematic before they decide to use or selfhost PieFed.
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To me, the sloppy codebase means I wouldn't want to selfhost it. And the presence of hardcoded filtering of things the devs dislike (even if it can be manually worked around) is for me a very good indicator that more shenanigans will come along the line.
If you have no problems with what I mentioned then I don't think we have much in common ground to argue on. You can enjoy PieFed and I will continue to enjoy Lemmy.
I just want people to be informed about these things that I find highly problematic before they decide to use or selfhost PieFed.
New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it. I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
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Everyone knows this. This is also just piefed.social.
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Linking so people see it.
Isn't that something possible in any piefed spot not just the instance of the dev?
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I wonder, would these users still use PieFed if they have seen its codebase? Maybe it can be one day but right now it's 100% not production-grade software. Nonsensical hardcoded bans and blocks everywhere. >1000 lines of Python in a single file. Uses regex to parse HTML. The list goes on...
Sadly refactoring is frowned upon in a lot of places as it takes away from adding new stuff, especially when necessary to prevent the code from getting worse
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Linking so people see it.
Isn't that something possible in any piefed spot not just the instance of the dev?
Yes. So? Piefed.ca is receiving the bump here. Other instances have turned it off.
You know Rimu made a thread in !piefed_meta@piefed.social so you can ask questions or express concerns.
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New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it. I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it.
Yes, and so I am concerned they might not know what "bad list" might be hardcoded into the software they're using.
I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Yeah, I think Lemmy needs to be made easier to selfhost. From the choice of programming language, the Lemmy backend must be more efficient and secure, so it should be the better choice for most selfhosters (exceptions being the active ones who are interested in patching the stuff they host and want to do so in Python).
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New users joining from Reddit aren't dealing with self-hosting - they're just using it.
Yes, and so I am concerned they might not know what "bad list" might be hardcoded into the software they're using.
I will also add I have seen a lot of praise for how easy it is to host piefed from other instance owners.
Yeah, I think Lemmy needs to be made easier to selfhost. From the choice of programming language, the Lemmy backend must be more efficient and secure, so it should be the better choice for most selfhosters (exceptions being the active ones who are interested in patching the stuff they host and want to do so in Python).
You have already completely misunderstood this "bad list" that you referred to here. It isn't and even at its peak before 196 mods complained, a block on all communities with those keywords.
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We've even been seeing the growth here on MULTIVERSE
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sounds great, but how do I interact with them? can I choose another server to login from here?
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If the code is bad, you realise only coders would notice it from reading that?
That's what makes it particularly sad. The people who didn't read the code have no idea what they're in for.
What hardcoded bans are you referring to here? The 4chan one that can be disabled?
How about this one?
'enoughmuskspam', 'political_weirdos', 'piracy', 'memes' are hardcoded banned. 196 used to be banned to but they removed it from the "bad list".Also "can be disabled" does not excuse hardcoded filtering. If they're serious they could implement a config system in an hour.
Memes is a banned url, huh? Okay, let's test this scientifically. After I make this comment, I'm gonna go to !memes@lemmy.world and see if I get any posts.
