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No wonder Reddit has turned to shit

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  • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    God, I just hate the way these people fucking talk. Everything is a bulleted list and sentence fragments.

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    socialmediarefugee@lemmy.world
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    Like the world's worst haiku.

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    • M mniot@programming.dev

      The turbo-hell part is that the spam comments aren't even being written for humans to see. The intention is that ChatGPT picks up the spam and incorporates it into its training.

      I worked at a company that sold to doctors and the marketing team was spending most of their effort on this kind of thing. They said that nowadays when doctors want to know "what should I buy to solve X?" or "which is better A or B?" they ask ChatGPT and take its answer as factual. They said that they were very successful in generating blog articles for OpenAI to train on so that our product would be the preferred answer.

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      jmill@lemmy.zip
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      #79

      My god. Somehow I hadn't thought of doctors using LLMs to make decisions like that. But of course at least some do.

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      • P prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone

        Yeah, but even when it's not an LLM, they type like this now

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        lordkuri@lemmy.world
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        #80

        Monkey see, monkey do...

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        • F findus@feddit.org

          I'm looking for a network and/or internet with strong authentication which is open for unique human users only. Sure, bots could still use someone's credentials but at least their scale & impact would be limited.

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          stickly@lemmy.world
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          #81

          strong authentication which is open for unique human users only

          Unless you completely ditch anonymity, this can only turn into a state captured propoganda platform. Whoever controls access/auth will have the keys to the content.

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          • M mniot@programming.dev

            The turbo-hell part is that the spam comments aren't even being written for humans to see. The intention is that ChatGPT picks up the spam and incorporates it into its training.

            I worked at a company that sold to doctors and the marketing team was spending most of their effort on this kind of thing. They said that nowadays when doctors want to know "what should I buy to solve X?" or "which is better A or B?" they ask ChatGPT and take its answer as factual. They said that they were very successful in generating blog articles for OpenAI to train on so that our product would be the preferred answer.

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            sparrohawc@lemmy.zip
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            #82

            Considering that LLM content that makes it into training content makes the trained LLMs worse... is this adversarial?

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            • saarthS saarth

              Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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              monkcanatella@sh.itjust.works
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              people have been doing this the sweaty way for a decade

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              • J jmill@lemmy.zip

                My god. Somehow I hadn't thought of doctors using LLMs to make decisions like that. But of course at least some do.

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                monkcanatella@sh.itjust.works
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                #84

                Oof. Haven't met a lot of doctors huh? Check out some of their subreddits

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                • saarthS saarth

                  Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                  mulligrubs@lemmy.world
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                  #85

                  This doesn't explain why Reddit has decided that I need multiple Hindi sub referrals every day.

                  Years and years of data regarding me, zero Hindi, zero Indian, zero interest, AND YET here's another suggested Hindi sub! Fantastic work.

                  But the Jesus ads sealed the deal, adios Redditto

                  apologies for my off topic ramble, but I feel better.

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                  • saarthS saarth

                    Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                    lechekaflan
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                    #86

                    More than a decade and a half later and pretentious SEO fanatics still fucking make my eyes roll.

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                    • tomiantT tomiant

                      Good actors too, it's the nature of capitalism.

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                      MotoAsh
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                      Who is the 'good' actor in this 'capitalism' thing?

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                      • mulligrubs@lemmy.worldM mulligrubs@lemmy.world

                        This doesn't explain why Reddit has decided that I need multiple Hindi sub referrals every day.

                        Years and years of data regarding me, zero Hindi, zero Indian, zero interest, AND YET here's another suggested Hindi sub! Fantastic work.

                        But the Jesus ads sealed the deal, adios Redditto

                        apologies for my off topic ramble, but I feel better.

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                        Oascany
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                        #88

                        This is so funny because I'm Indian and I've never come across a Hindi sub on Reddit.

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                        • N noxastrum@lemmy.ca

                          I have no idea what any of that means, and I'm happy with that.

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                          Sjmarf
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                          #89

                          ELI5:

                          ChatGPT can search Google to give better answers. Reddit threads often appear as top search results.

                          Let’s say you work in marketing at a chocolate company. You can use this guy’s script to find Reddit posts that ChatGPT might read when someone asks it about chocolate. The script replies to each post and praises your chocolate, specifically.

                          When ChatGPT reads the thread, it might tell people about your chocolate.

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                          • saarthS saarth

                            Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                            gmtom@lemmy.world
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                            Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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                            • T TWeaK

                              It's a grift, but it's extra steps. It's not about affecting the experience on reddit, but for AI users. They use reddit to plant answers, which AI then trains on and regurgitates later.

                              Eventually the reddit thread would probably balance out, and incorrect information should get downvoted and replaced by corrections from people who know better. However AI might not account for this and could still spit out the planted information. It's this delicate manipulation that this LinkedIn Lunatic is bragging about here.

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                              ultranaut@lemmy.world
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                              Eventually the reddit thread would probably balance out, and incorrect information should get downvoted and replaced by corrections from people who know better.

                              This seems optimistic.

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                              • T TWeaK

                                For it to happen in the Fediverse AI would have to be training on the Fediverse.

                                That's what this post is about. Using reddit to plant comments that AI trains on, and subsequently getting AI to spit out your answer to questions it's asked.

                                As such this can happen anywhere where AI is being trained. The issue is with how AI is training, not with how websites it trains on are being operated.

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                                ultranaut@lemmy.world
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                                There isn't really any reason to think the Fediverse won't be used for AI training, if it isn't already. Everything is in the open here, it's easy enough to scrape all the data.

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                                • J jmill@lemmy.zip

                                  My god. Somehow I hadn't thought of doctors using LLMs to make decisions like that. But of course at least some do.

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                                  general_effort@lemmy.world
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                                  You never want to know how the sausage is made.

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                                  • gmtom@lemmy.worldG gmtom@lemmy.world

                                    Anyone that works in marketing needs to be flogged in the streets for their crimes.

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                                    cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
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                                    #94

                                    Nahhhh. When ads are clever or funny its fine. This lower effort bullshit need to die

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                                    • M MotoAsh

                                      Who is the 'good' actor in this 'capitalism' thing?

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                                      tomiant
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                                      It's more of a technical concept within the lore than an actual character.

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                                      • saarthS saarth

                                        Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                                        sudoer777@lemmy.ml
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                                        Reddit feels like Quora at this point with all the affiliate links and promotions

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                                        • saarthS saarth

                                          Marketers and their bots have been using reddit to hype up brands. No wonder Reddit feels like shit these days.

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                                          rumba@lemmy.zip
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                                          That entire fucking add was just lazily written by an AI.

                                          "Developer" can't be bothered to add "don't to use emoji or bullet points in prompts and dont add a summary and def don't add a second summary at the end?

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