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  • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

    You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?

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    Grail
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    I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It's easy to mix those two guys up

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    • G Grail

      I wonder if they mean the genocide-denying lemmy admin or the transphobic lemmy admin. It's easy to mix those two guys up

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      Deceptichum
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      #45

      Excuse me that's transphobic and covid denying.

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      • L lauchmelder@feddit.org

        piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don't like right into the application

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        tiredofsametab
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        I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?

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        • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

          I've tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.

          PieFed doesn't have that bad rep, so I've found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.

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          wrote last edited by tidbit@mander.xyz
          #47

          I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it's a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.

          As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy's devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how the they approach discussing them.

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          • T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏T T͏i͏d͏b͏i͏T͏

            I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it's a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.

            As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy's devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how the they approach discussing them.

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            oimate@feddit.uk
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            Lemmy doesn't truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that

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            • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

              Excuse me that's transphobic and covid denying.

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              Grail
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              Oh boy oh boy, I think I'm about to receive a fun link with more Nutomic bad takes

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              • S Skavau

                Note, I've now seen you make this comment four times now on a brand new account - so my response here is meant in good faith.

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                oimate@feddit.uk
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                No they're a 100% real user who despite only joining 35 minutes ago knows all about a 2 day old post.

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                • O oimate@feddit.uk

                  Lemmy doesn't truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that

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                  #51

                  Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I've never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block

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                    lauchmelder@feddit.org
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                    I don't think there's a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I'm kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it's just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don't turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won't be any hidden filters.

                    If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post "bad content" in their eyes

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                    • W wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works

                      What's the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?

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                      hayvan
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                      They are similar platforms and they federate, i.e. you can see all Lemmy content with a Piefed account and vice versa.

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                      • L lauchmelder@feddit.org

                        I don't think there's a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I'm kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it's just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don't turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won't be any hidden filters.

                        If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post "bad content" in their eyes

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                        Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same 'trust' that admins don't add words to them.

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                        • N neatnit@discuss.tchncs.de

                          The Fediverse's biggest onboarding problem is having too many choices that seem important but don't really matter. Namely, which instance to sign up on. Listing two different platforms that do the same thing and even federate with each other would only make it worse. I'm guessing that's why they only listed one.

                          As for why choose one over the other, I don't have a horse in this race, I'm sure they had their reasons.

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                          karashta
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                          Except it does matter which instance you choose because they choose to defederate with other instances, it may be an instance run by one person who disappears, on a huge instance that collapses, etc.

                          There's not really a way to migrate totally, AFAIK, so if you choose wrong, you start over. This has been my actual user experience. Kbin was my first choice because of UI and mastodon integration. That instance died when the Dev disappeared. Then I moved to lemm.ee thinking that a large instance surely would stay up. It didn't.

                          So "it doesn't matter" which instance you choose. Except it also kind of does.

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                            Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same 'trust' that admins don't add words to them.

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                            lauchmelder@feddit.org
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                            Lemmy intransparently punishes users for using reaction GIFs, writing "this" comments and punches communities for having the words "meme' or "shitpost" in the title? that's crazy

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                            • L lauchmelder@feddit.org

                              Lemmy intransparently punishes users for using reaction GIFs, writing "this" comments and punches communities for having the words "meme' or "shitpost" in the title? that's crazy

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                              Skavau
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                              All of these things can be turned off, moreover, the "punches communities" specifically refers to the mass federation tool that instance admins can use that has had a lot of terms removed.

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                              • K karashta

                                Except it does matter which instance you choose because they choose to defederate with other instances, it may be an instance run by one person who disappears, on a huge instance that collapses, etc.

                                There's not really a way to migrate totally, AFAIK, so if you choose wrong, you start over. This has been my actual user experience. Kbin was my first choice because of UI and mastodon integration. That instance died when the Dev disappeared. Then I moved to lemm.ee thinking that a large instance surely would stay up. It didn't.

                                So "it doesn't matter" which instance you choose. Except it also kind of does.

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                                neatnit@discuss.tchncs.de
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                                Yeah, you're right, and that sucks. Mastodon is much better at this.

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                                • renzhexiangjiaoR renzhexiangjiao

                                  piefed isn't made by tankies

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                                  no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.dev
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                                  It's made by feds.

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                                  • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                    Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                                    hzl
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                                    Peertube isn't really a viable alternative. There isn't a substantial enough audience for creators and there isn't really enough content for an audience. I guess if you're one of the 100 people watching transport evolved that's cool but it isn't really a meaningful alternative. I suppose it could be supplementary, but why would creators want to drive their traffic to a site that doesn't actually matter for their visibility? I imagine the same probably applies to loops.

                                    Also, like, with video you kind of want a reliable host that you know isn't going anywhere.

                                    The rest are okay as long as you're not super worried about how many people are seeing what you post. Lemmy and Piefed are great for content aggregation and discussion, but they seem to be the only ones that at this point actually do anything that might be helpful.

                                    I've tried Mastodon and while it's way better than Twitter it isn't exactly providing a way to reach a substantial audience. Personal websites are probably a better bet for ease of access.

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                                    • K karashta

                                      Except it does matter which instance you choose because they choose to defederate with other instances, it may be an instance run by one person who disappears, on a huge instance that collapses, etc.

                                      There's not really a way to migrate totally, AFAIK, so if you choose wrong, you start over. This has been my actual user experience. Kbin was my first choice because of UI and mastodon integration. That instance died when the Dev disappeared. Then I moved to lemm.ee thinking that a large instance surely would stay up. It didn't.

                                      So "it doesn't matter" which instance you choose. Except it also kind of does.

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                                      hzl
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                                      I mean, the way to use Lemmy/Piefed is to have multiple accounts. You don't need to "migrate" anything, just start using it.

                                      I do see this tendency from people coming from reddit to kind of fetishize the "status" of their accounts and try to preserve everything they've ever said as if anyone cares, but that seems both unhealthy and unrealistic. Nobody is digging through your posts from 6 months ago for content, and no one will care that you haven't reposted all your passing thoughts to a new instance.

                                      If you look at the users who are active across multiple accounts, they're recognizable without worrying about what instance they're on. Like I have no idea what instances Stamets or cm0002 or whatever are using at the moment or how many of their posts exist where and I don't really care. I read my current feed, comment a little, post once in a while, and it seems like that's what most people do.

                                      Do you walk around with a tape recorder meticulously archiving every spoken conversation you have in real life? Would such a thing make your interactions more significant? Just keep that shit in your brain and the collective memory of interactions with others and get on with your life.

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                                      • S Skavau

                                        By "social credit" system, they're referring to the fact that Piefed has a reputation and attitude system. "Reputation" is a bit like reddit - a downvote contributes negatively to it, an upvote positively. Accounts heavily downvoted will have negative warning signs on them (although the CCS here can be disabled by instance moderators who dislike it) so users can't see it. And users looking at a profile on piefed can only see accounts negatively downvoted, not accounts with high reputation - so it's not "karma" in the sense of Reddit.

                                        "Attitude" refers to downvotes given. If you mass downvote, you'll get a very bad attitude and this is measured in percentage form for users. If you bulk downvote, and get a very low attitude - you'll be blocked from downvoting.

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                                        SdWolf1902
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                                        Thank you for explaining clearly someone is trying to put a lot of misinformation out there

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                                        • DeceptichumD Deceptichum

                                          You mean the lemmy.ml admin? The tankie one trying to deflect and make PieFed out to be the bad guy?

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                                          SdWolf1902
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                                          No this person: https://feddit.dk/u/SorteKanin

                                          I think I understand now and it is clear I need to make a new account on piefed

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