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Would it be realistic to try to set up an america-free instance?

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  • ShimitarS Shimitar

    Really? Wow... I assumes was USA LoL

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    Don Antonio Magino
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    #44

    So do Americans. Hence why ‘politics’ and ‘news’ on .world by default are American politics and news.

    Even the community intended for non-American world news is in practice flooded with American news anyway.

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      foggy@lemmy.world
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      #45

      Sorry to be pedantic here, but

      Xenophobia is a specific form of bigotry that targets people based on national origin or perceived foreignness (e.g., “foreigners,” “Germans,” “Americans”).

      And

      Bigotry is the umbrella term for prejudice or intolerance toward a group (race, religion, nationality, etc.).

      OP Saying “no people from the USA allowed” is therefore xenophobic specifically, and bigoted in the general sense.

      Ergo, it is more xenophobia than it is bigotry.

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      • C combatwombatesq@lemmy.world

        You can block amerigocentric instances and users (like me!) if you want, but people will still use vpns to say “soccer” on your America-free instances and I don’t think there’s anything to be done to prevent that.

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        lfrith@lemmy.ca
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        #46

        Yeah, fediverse with it having less uptake among mainstream users likely means those here are going to have more tech literacy, so VPN use is going to be higher than usual.

        It'll be a trivial bypass with how much this space already leans towards Linux and is more privacy aware and more likely to try to cut down on big tech than usual users.

        To achieve being free of US content methods needed would be incredibly strict moderation (shadowbans and mod approval for posts), news censorship due to possibility of international incidents involving US, defederating from popular instances, and most effective would be no english allowed.

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        • ShimitarS Shimitar

          Really? Wow... I assumes was USA LoL

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          lfrith@lemmy.ca
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          #47

          Thought so too after they banned the piracy sub.

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          • A Ace

            I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.

            But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.

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            fizz@lemmy.nz
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            #48

            You could try but I feel its needlessly complex and antagonistic. Like get the politics are horrible but we dont actually hate american people right? IMO you can get close enough to your goal by filtering American politics out, blocking news/politics communities and then setting up a non america news and non american politics community and boom you've pretty much got an "america free instance"

            Once shared blocklists get added I feel this will be easier to setup and distribute.

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              HarkMahlberg
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              You might be happy to learn about Misskey, which has a Japanese instance (it's flagship) in misskey.io and an Italian instance in misskey.social. 🙂

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                psx_crab@lemmy.zip
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                It's not just that in my experience, it's everyone assume you're american by default because they're american themselves, so they always talk in the context of being american in basically every topic. The politic and the topic doesn't bother me much, it's the american. I'm sorry this sounds so discriminatory but it's the one thing that really bother me since reddit.

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                • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

                  It's not just that in my experience, it's everyone assume you're american by default because they're american themselves, so they always talk in the context of being american in basically every topic. The politic and the topic doesn't bother me much, it's the american. I'm sorry this sounds so discriminatory but it's the one thing that really bother me since reddit.

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                  YoSoySnekBoi
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                  I mean you're not wrong, but assuming everyone is like you is a critical thinking problem, not an American problem. I just think it's particularly noticeable in Americans because there are a lot of them on the platform and the dumb ones are loud. Doesn't really seem like a problem worth geofencing an entire nation; just block the idiots.

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                  • A Ace

                    I thought it'd be nice for the rest of the world to have a de-america'd instance where there's no discussion of america, certainly no american politics, and no americans are allowed via IP block.

                    But I think to do that effectively, you'd probably have to defederate from most of the rest of lemmy, and then you've lost most of the federation benefits of being a lemmy instance. However I'm only vaguely familiar with how all of the connections work so maybe someone can correct me.

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                    Ricky Rigatoni
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                    #52

                    Should the EU instances also ban everyone from the UK because of Brexit?

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                    • P psx_crab@lemmy.zip

                      It's not just that in my experience, it's everyone assume you're american by default because they're american themselves, so they always talk in the context of being american in basically every topic. The politic and the topic doesn't bother me much, it's the american. I'm sorry this sounds so discriminatory but it's the one thing that really bother me since reddit.

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                      camerondev@programming.dev
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                      Join your countries instance? I'm fairly sure the people in Aussie.zone aren't American. You could also put your flag in your display name.

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                      • fizz@lemmy.nzF fizz@lemmy.nz

                        You could try but I feel its needlessly complex and antagonistic. Like get the politics are horrible but we dont actually hate american people right? IMO you can get close enough to your goal by filtering American politics out, blocking news/politics communities and then setting up a non america news and non american politics community and boom you've pretty much got an "america free instance"

                        Once shared blocklists get added I feel this will be easier to setup and distribute.

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                        Orbital
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                        #54

                        Thank you for this. I'm American, and I can't stand our politics either. I still try my best to take care of my fellow humans, wherever they call home.

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                        • Ricky RigatoniR Ricky Rigatoni

                          Should the EU instances also ban everyone from the UK because of Brexit?

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                          skozzii@lemmy.ca
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                          #55

                          If the UK was threating to annex others and started randomly kidnapping sovereign nation presidents, while attacking their own people, then yeah, in that case they should.

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                          • L lfrith@lemmy.ca

                            Yeah, fediverse with it having less uptake among mainstream users likely means those here are going to have more tech literacy, so VPN use is going to be higher than usual.

                            It'll be a trivial bypass with how much this space already leans towards Linux and is more privacy aware and more likely to try to cut down on big tech than usual users.

                            To achieve being free of US content methods needed would be incredibly strict moderation (shadowbans and mod approval for posts), news censorship due to possibility of international incidents involving US, defederating from popular instances, and most effective would be no english allowed.

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                            combatwombatesq@lemmy.world
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                            Ну ка друг мой, ты никогда не знаешь говорят ли американцы по-инновациям языкам

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