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With the current situation with Tiktok, it's time for the Fediverse to rise.

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  • hopesdeadH hopesdead

    There is a new (not certain) platform called UpScrolled that people are moving to.

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    Yerbouti
    wrote last edited by yerbouti@sh.itjust.works
    #12

    I know it can be challenging to convince people to migrate, but it’s crucial that we keep spreading awareness. I recently tried posting about decentralized alternatives on r/tiktok, but it seems the post was suppressed. I ended up sharing the same message as comments in relevant discussions instead.

    Even small actions matter. If each of us can introduce just three people to the Fediverse—and they do the same—we can create a ripple effect that drives real growth.

    Personally, alongside talking with my students, I’ve started running free workshops in Montreal on “deGAFAMing” your digital life. The first sessions had only 5–6 attendees, but the online version I’m hosting in February already has 30 registrations. I’ve even helped a small organization transition from Google Workspace to Nextcloud.

    No matter how small your action may seem, every effort counts. Keep sharing, keep inviting, keep building. The future of the internet depends on it.

    Here is a message aimed at tiktok users you could share around:

    *If we leave TikTok for another proprietary app, we're just moving from one walled garden to another. Sooner or later, the same issues—censorship, political control, or corporate takeover—will follow us there.

    That’s why we should try Loops instead. https://loops.video/

    Loops is a decentralized alternative. No single company, political group, or billionaire can buy it or control what you see. You own your space. You shape your feed. You keep your voice.

    Yes, Loops is smaller right now—and it might take a little time to adjust. But with your help, it will grow into the vibrant, free, and people-powered platform we deserve

    Here's a short video introduction the Fediverse and decentralized social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nno *

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    • gustofwind@lemmy.worldG gustofwind@lemmy.world

      The alternatives to many of these services should be nothing

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      bonenode
      wrote last edited by
      #13

      Fully agree.

      Unfortunatly though, apps like that are like crack (The Office jokes incoming...?). And if you take that away the first response isn't happiness, but the opposite and they'll go for the next best drug, maybe meth.

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      • YerboutiY Yerbouti

        Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

        In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

        I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

        So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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        robottoaster@mander.xyz
        wrote last edited by
        #14

        Personally I think IPFS or similar will be a better solution to decentralised video, federation seems inefficient for it, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

        Shame the US gov killed LBRY, that seemed kinda promising too.

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        • YerboutiY Yerbouti

          Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

          In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

          I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

          So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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          Lugh
          wrote last edited by lugh@futurology.today
          #15

          Why isn't the fediverse more popular? At futurology.today we have the benefit of also moderating r/futurology on reddit, which has 21.6 million subscribers. Out of the tens of thousands of people who've read our posts about the fediverse site, only a few hundred have signed up. Most of our subscribers are from elsewhere in the fediverse.

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          • S silent9218@lemmy.zip

            Sorry if this isn’t allowed, it’s maybe not strictly fediverse but I like skylight from Bluesky. Bsky has a lot of public figures and brands which I think is a necessary evil in pulling critical mass in times where an exodus is occurring because of political censorship.
            I tried skylight on iOS and it’s fine. Obviously not the same grade of content as the TikTok/reels/shorts but after linking my bsky account with already curated feeds of my interests I find that it combines them in an easily digestible way.
            Hopefully some big content creators explore their options because they do exist and are ready to be used.

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            #16

            I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed, this is the Fedi, it's open to various opinions.

            My problem with this is the same with all the proprietary platforms, the only thing that matters is the amount of money it can bring to investors. So when Bluesky gets popular enough, some rich douche will make sure to gain control over it and use it as a propaganda machine for the right, it's just a matter of time.

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            • YerboutiY Yerbouti

              I know it can be challenging to convince people to migrate, but it’s crucial that we keep spreading awareness. I recently tried posting about decentralized alternatives on r/tiktok, but it seems the post was suppressed. I ended up sharing the same message as comments in relevant discussions instead.

              Even small actions matter. If each of us can introduce just three people to the Fediverse—and they do the same—we can create a ripple effect that drives real growth.

              Personally, alongside talking with my students, I’ve started running free workshops in Montreal on “deGAFAMing” your digital life. The first sessions had only 5–6 attendees, but the online version I’m hosting in February already has 30 registrations. I’ve even helped a small organization transition from Google Workspace to Nextcloud.

              No matter how small your action may seem, every effort counts. Keep sharing, keep inviting, keep building. The future of the internet depends on it.

              Here is a message aimed at tiktok users you could share around:

              *If we leave TikTok for another proprietary app, we're just moving from one walled garden to another. Sooner or later, the same issues—censorship, political control, or corporate takeover—will follow us there.

              That’s why we should try Loops instead. https://loops.video/

              Loops is a decentralized alternative. No single company, political group, or billionaire can buy it or control what you see. You own your space. You shape your feed. You keep your voice.

              Yes, Loops is smaller right now—and it might take a little time to adjust. But with your help, it will grow into the vibrant, free, and people-powered platform we deserve

              Here's a short video introduction the Fediverse and decentralized social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRJHIJy5Nno *

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              Skavau
              wrote last edited by
              #17

              Why are you replying with AI

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              • E emb@lemmy.world

                I heard briefly about this on Loops actually, lol. I wonder what's the story with it? Is it some big tech company's new product, a stand-alone startup? American or some other origin? Decentralized? Open source or proprietary?

                Not deadset on any of these as deal breakers, but would be nice if some aspects inspired confidence.

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                wrote last edited by
                #18

                It's open source and decentralized.

                I haven't really used it, since I'm not interested in that format, but I know tiktok is where the youngster are and I believe many of them are not as stuck-up as people of my generation.

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                • S Skavau

                  Why are you replying with AI

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                  wrote last edited by
                  #19

                  It's no AI. I write in french and use my translation software (Antidote) to translate and optimize my text. I actually know how to write pretty well, I just don't want to spend hours translating.

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                  • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                    It's no AI. I write in french and use my translation software (Antidote) to translate and optimize my text. I actually know how to write pretty well, I just don't want to spend hours translating.

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                    Skavau
                    wrote last edited by
                    #20

                    Ah, well unfortunately gives a deeply AI feel with how it translates it.

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                    • S Skavau

                      Ah, well unfortunately gives a deeply AI feel with how it translates it.

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                      Yerbouti
                      wrote last edited by
                      #21

                      Yeah, I guess it can do that. But as mentioned, I give workshops about the Fedi to young people, so I try to write information in an "appealing" way to them. Maybe I'm overdoing it.

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                      • gustofwind@lemmy.worldG gustofwind@lemmy.world

                        The alternatives to many of these services should be nothing

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                        UnspecificGravity
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                        #22

                        For real. It feels like we are trying to sell people heroin as a less addictive alternative to morphine.

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                        • U UnspecificGravity

                          For real. It feels like we are trying to sell people heroin as a less addictive alternative to morphine.

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                          cinoreus@lemmy.world
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                          #23

                          Exactly, fediverse tikrok gives a lot of "eco-friendly cigarette" vibes.

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                          • F frongt@lemmy.zip

                            Good idea, how do you propose we do this

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                            Yerbouti
                            wrote last edited by
                            #24

                            Oh, I just realized I've sent my reply to the wrong comment lol. Check out, my reply to frongt, it was intended for you.

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                            • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                              I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed, this is the Fedi, it's open to various opinions.

                              My problem with this is the same with all the proprietary platforms, the only thing that matters is the amount of money it can bring to investors. So when Bluesky gets popular enough, some rich douche will make sure to gain control over it and use it as a propaganda machine for the right, it's just a matter of time.

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                              silent9218@lemmy.zip
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                              That’s a very good point. Hopefully the underlying openness of the AT protocol enables homebrewed alternatives where you can simply port your account over, though the threat of this seems like a non-issue for activity pub from the start.

                              I’ve just installed the loops beta on iOS. I don’t really care for short form video content in general but here’s to hoping open social media can become more mainstream.

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                              • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                                In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                                I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                                So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                                artyom
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                                It's like 20 years past time.

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                                • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                  Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                                  In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                                  I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                                  So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                                  cinoreus@lemmy.world
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                                  Truth is, fediverse's more fragile than people wanna Admit, that's my opinion from using it for a week. Firstly, everything works on grants and donations, there's no for profit model that's running these servers. That's bad because running social media is expensive.

                                  Second fediverse's still utility first, user experience second priority. there's no recommendation algorithm on mastodon or most other fediverse servers.

                                  Third, this is coming from a security stand point, fediverse is vulnerable to both centralised architecture, and decentralised architecture attacks.

                                  Also it's just, for 90% of people, if they want to have a website like tiktok, they will just go to tiktok. Especially in case of tiktok. Very few people want to try stuff that's not as fully baked as corporate owned social media

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                                  • S silent9218@lemmy.zip

                                    That’s a very good point. Hopefully the underlying openness of the AT protocol enables homebrewed alternatives where you can simply port your account over, though the threat of this seems like a non-issue for activity pub from the start.

                                    I’ve just installed the loops beta on iOS. I don’t really care for short form video content in general but here’s to hoping open social media can become more mainstream.

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                                    Yerbouti
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                                    I’ve just installed the loops beta on iOS. I don’t really care for short form video content in general but here’s to hoping open social media can become more mainstream.

                                    Same. Not my bag but if we can get a peak in registrations, that might help to promote the app.

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                                    • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                      Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                                      In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                                      I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                                      So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                                      Bandito Chihuahua
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                                      I’ve been using Skylight Social for a while. It uses BlueSky’s AT Protocol. A little glitchy, but has plenty of activity.

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                                      • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                        It's open source and decentralized.

                                        I haven't really used it, since I'm not interested in that format, but I know tiktok is where the youngster are and I believe many of them are not as stuck-up as people of my generation.

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                                        emb@lemmy.world
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                                        Is it? That got my interest, but I can't find mention of it on their site or FAQ

                                        (I know Loops is, maybe I wasn't clear but I was meaning to ask about the other one.)

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                                        • YerboutiY Yerbouti

                                          Given the situation with TikTok—marked by censorship and the app's recent control by MAGA-aligned interests—I checked Reddit to see what TikTok users are saying. It turns out many are asking for alternatives. Most replies suggest other proprietary apps, and I haven’t seen any recommendations for decentralized platforms like LOOPS and others from the Fediverse.

                                          In my opinion, we now have a small but critical window of opportunity to introduce people to the Fediverse. We need to go where young people are—Reddit, Instagram, or whatever platforms they use—and explain the basics of decentralization and why choosing another proprietary app will only lead to the same outcome. LOOPS is easy to join and feels exactly like Tiktok.

                                          I had the chance to discuss this topic with my college students just last semester. Young people are not the “imbeciles” mainstream media often portrays them to be. They see what’s happening and want to participate in change. I am firmly convinced that they are a key component of the social revolution we need, and that with their help, we could dismantle the GAFAM economy in just a few weeks.

                                          So I believe we have to seize this moment: share, explain, and promote the Fediverse wherever you can—especially in the coming days—because every invitation is a step toward a truly free and user-owned internet.

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                                          Oh, yeah. Loops recently started doing a recommended algorithm and I haven't opened it up for a while to see how that's going. Cuz my two main issues with it has been a lack of variety in content due to the low user count, and the complete inability to find anything I might actually like.

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