Oblivion remake is... really making it apparent how outdated Bethesda is in its approach to making games
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It's not even much of a remaster. They just slapped a coat of paint on it.
The Gamebryo/Creation Engine is still there running the game, it just uses Unreal 5 for the graphical elements. And they updated some of the levelling to work more like Skyrim, because the Oblivion system sucked in comparison.
It's still the same 20 year old Oblivion under the hood.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but calling it a remaster is a bit disingenuous.
What do you think "remaster" actually mean?
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What do you think "remaster" actually mean?
More than a coat of paint. They didn't actually port the game to Unreal 5, they just used it to make the graphics look better. The modding community could have done this years ago if that's all they wanted to do. Skyblivion is more of a remaster than this official one.
With all of the resources of the original development and sources, I expect more than the modding community is capable of.
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Just musing on the fact that Bethesda doesn’t care about making games and instead just cashes in on nostalgia. I also think their finance bros realized their upcoming big IP drop is going to be an objective POS and wanted to prime people’s expectations by re-releasing a 20 year old game with some lipstick on it.
It would be neat if they hired some people who actually had innovative ideas about gameplay, visuals and stories to maybe make a neat new game within an existing or new IP, but they haven’t done that in literal decades so I think its pretty reasonable to not be incredibly excited about anything they are putting out or planning to put out in the future.
As a long time Bethesda game fan I agree with you on almost everything you've said about Bethesda... But the remaster is a terrible example of your points.
The remaster does exactly what it says on the tin and they've been very upfront about how it was made and why it was made in the launch video.
It's hard to criticise them for cashing in on nostalgia when they've shown time and time again with Skyrim re-releases that do a fraction of what the Oblivion remaster does still sell like hot cakes.
Nostalgia is at the core of their business model. That's why they march Skyrim's corpse out every two years like clockwork; that's why they picked Fallout for a new franchise after ES; that's, frankly, likely why Starfield sucks so much.
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I know there’s great love for Oblivion (I never played it when it was new), and of course Skyrim is the gold standard for new fans (I played the shit out of that and it was my first entry into the elder scrolls back when it came out 14 years ago…) but I really feel like this shadow drop of a half assed remake is just priming everyone to lower their expectations for the likely dumpster fire that is The Elder Scrolls VI.
I know its old hat nonsense of a complaint but whatever Bethesda used to be it stopped being that 20 years ago and we’re all just stuck thinking they’ll put out some new masterpiece when in reality all the talent they had back in the day has likely left for other jobs and they are now just a shitty company among countless other shitty companies putting profit over anything else and stifling anyone who might actually have good ideas on how to make good games (how unsurprising).
Listen, as long as ESVI ends up being highly modable and has a healthy community behind it to make the mods, it'll be good enough for me.
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I know there’s great love for Oblivion (I never played it when it was new), and of course Skyrim is the gold standard for new fans (I played the shit out of that and it was my first entry into the elder scrolls back when it came out 14 years ago…) but I really feel like this shadow drop of a half assed remake is just priming everyone to lower their expectations for the likely dumpster fire that is The Elder Scrolls VI.
I know its old hat nonsense of a complaint but whatever Bethesda used to be it stopped being that 20 years ago and we’re all just stuck thinking they’ll put out some new masterpiece when in reality all the talent they had back in the day has likely left for other jobs and they are now just a shitty company among countless other shitty companies putting profit over anything else and stifling anyone who might actually have good ideas on how to make good games (how unsurprising).
If anything this has raised my bar for TES 6. I didn't play 4 just as you did and sunk an ungodly amount of time into 5. I also played fallout 3 at the time of launch so I feel like I'm fairly versed in Bethesdas formula.
The progress from 4 to 5 is obvious. They put a lot of love into making Skyrim better than its predecessor in tons of ways. With the absolute flop of Starfield, they're putting all their chips into TES 6 and they know it. They're going to stick to the core gameplay that everyone expects, but how they expand and improve upon it is really what will make or break them. If they get the story telling down, it's all up to the mechanics of the game and design of the world.
My bar has absolutely raised by them putting this remaster out.
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I know there’s great love for Oblivion (I never played it when it was new), and of course Skyrim is the gold standard for new fans (I played the shit out of that and it was my first entry into the elder scrolls back when it came out 14 years ago…) but I really feel like this shadow drop of a half assed remake is just priming everyone to lower their expectations for the likely dumpster fire that is The Elder Scrolls VI.
I know its old hat nonsense of a complaint but whatever Bethesda used to be it stopped being that 20 years ago and we’re all just stuck thinking they’ll put out some new masterpiece when in reality all the talent they had back in the day has likely left for other jobs and they are now just a shitty company among countless other shitty companies putting profit over anything else and stifling anyone who might actually have good ideas on how to make good games (how unsurprising).
Lower expectations...?
Bethesda Game Studios has been on the decades-long trend of watering down all their proper RPG elements. Morrowind is significantly more jank in combat and movement than Oblicion. Oblivion significantly more jank than Skyrim.
However, Skyrim is over simplified compared to Oblivion in all of its RPG mechanics, and has removed a number of gameplay features that were previously present (e.g. Spell crafting). In turn Oblivion is itself more mechanically shallow than Morrowind, significantly lacking in such things as speech options.
The Oblivion Remaster is so more a reminder of something we'll never get anymore; an open world RPG that isn't as weighed down as Morrowind and not as over-simplified as Skyrim (though honestly complex NPC interactions need to come back from Morrowind).
TES VI will likely have better combat than Skyrim, but still incredibly dated compared to other games, and mechanics that can barely be called "RPG" anymore.
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Lower expectations...?
Bethesda Game Studios has been on the decades-long trend of watering down all their proper RPG elements. Morrowind is significantly more jank in combat and movement than Oblicion. Oblivion significantly more jank than Skyrim.
However, Skyrim is over simplified compared to Oblivion in all of its RPG mechanics, and has removed a number of gameplay features that were previously present (e.g. Spell crafting). In turn Oblivion is itself more mechanically shallow than Morrowind, significantly lacking in such things as speech options.
The Oblivion Remaster is so more a reminder of something we'll never get anymore; an open world RPG that isn't as weighed down as Morrowind and not as over-simplified as Skyrim (though honestly complex NPC interactions need to come back from Morrowind).
TES VI will likely have better combat than Skyrim, but still incredibly dated compared to other games, and mechanics that can barely be called "RPG" anymore.
Replacing spell crafting with blacksmithing makes sense for the setting. It would have been nice to have something a bit deeper to replace it though.
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I know there’s great love for Oblivion (I never played it when it was new), and of course Skyrim is the gold standard for new fans (I played the shit out of that and it was my first entry into the elder scrolls back when it came out 14 years ago…) but I really feel like this shadow drop of a half assed remake is just priming everyone to lower their expectations for the likely dumpster fire that is The Elder Scrolls VI.
I know its old hat nonsense of a complaint but whatever Bethesda used to be it stopped being that 20 years ago and we’re all just stuck thinking they’ll put out some new masterpiece when in reality all the talent they had back in the day has likely left for other jobs and they are now just a shitty company among countless other shitty companies putting profit over anything else and stifling anyone who might actually have good ideas on how to make good games (how unsurprising).
They literally ssid they kept the mechanics running on the original engine so the game retains its "bethesda charm" and upon playing it, it became immediately obvious that Todd 100℅ believes what was charming about their games is the jank and bugginess.
️I really hate the fact that Morrowind was such a landmark, amazing, beautiful game in nearly every way (for the time) and they have managed to regress on every single front from that in every single game they have made after.
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As a long time Bethesda game fan I agree with you on almost everything you've said about Bethesda... But the remaster is a terrible example of your points.
The remaster does exactly what it says on the tin and they've been very upfront about how it was made and why it was made in the launch video.
It's hard to criticise them for cashing in on nostalgia when they've shown time and time again with Skyrim re-releases that do a fraction of what the Oblivion remaster does still sell like hot cakes.
Nostalgia is at the core of their business model. That's why they march Skyrim's corpse out every two years like clockwork; that's why they picked Fallout for a new franchise after ES; that's, frankly, likely why Starfield sucks so much.
Why is it bard to criticize them for lazily releasing the same games over and over again? That makes no sense.
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More than a coat of paint. They didn't actually port the game to Unreal 5, they just used it to make the graphics look better. The modding community could have done this years ago if that's all they wanted to do. Skyblivion is more of a remaster than this official one.
With all of the resources of the original development and sources, I expect more than the modding community is capable of.
You're confusing a remaster with a remake.
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It's a remaster of a game from 2006 with a fresh coat of paint and some QOL changes and that's basically all it ever could be. 70% of the game did not age well and they honestly did the best they could. If they did a complete remake and "modernized" the game all the old-school fans would be pissed. If they kept it as true to the original as possible besides a facelift they'd make it harder for new players to want to pick it up. I feel like a good 7/10 was the best they could shoot for under most circumstances.
And if you ask anyone where Bethesda fell off, depending on which game was their first, they will all give you a different answer. For me Morrowind and Oblivion are the best in the series and that's with over 500 hours in Skyrim. They've been dumbing their games down with each new iteration since the 90s as they try to "modernize" the newest game each time and reach new audiences. Like, good luck playing Morrowind or Daggerfall these days without losing your patience in a matter of hours. And Morrowind especially is barely playable without mods these days.
I still hated Starfield, though. Gave it the old college try and left so underwhelmed I couldn't tell you a damn thing about the story.
Morrowind holds up perfectly fine. Oblivion was the beginning of the end for Besthesda. That game has aged far worse.
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Replacing spell crafting with blacksmithing makes sense for the setting. It would have been nice to have something a bit deeper to replace it though.
The province shouldn't matter since you can pick any race you want. An elven mage isn't going to refrain from spellcrafting because they're in a Nord homelands.
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All I wanted from the remake was character models that didn't look like cartoons and a leveling system that didn't punish suboptimal builds, and by God that's what they delivered.
People keep clamoring for a Morrowind remake, and I disagree. It's perfect the way it is. Oblivion NEEDED this.
Thank you. Morrowind has only gotten better over the years thanks to projects like Tamriel Rebuilt.
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Listen, as long as ESVI ends up being highly modable and has a healthy community behind it to make the mods, it'll be good enough for me.
This, Skyrim was a weak-ass game but the modding community made it god-tier.
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They literally ssid they kept the mechanics running on the original engine so the game retains its "bethesda charm" and upon playing it, it became immediately obvious that Todd 100℅ believes what was charming about their games is the jank and bugginess.
️I really hate the fact that Morrowind was such a landmark, amazing, beautiful game in nearly every way (for the time) and they have managed to regress on every single front from that in every single game they have made after.
Yeah, "Bethesda charm" is just a way of whitewashing their janky-ass engine that they refuse to do anything about.
Todd's one of the biggest bullshitters in the industry. -
If anything this has raised my bar for TES 6. I didn't play 4 just as you did and sunk an ungodly amount of time into 5. I also played fallout 3 at the time of launch so I feel like I'm fairly versed in Bethesdas formula.
The progress from 4 to 5 is obvious. They put a lot of love into making Skyrim better than its predecessor in tons of ways. With the absolute flop of Starfield, they're putting all their chips into TES 6 and they know it. They're going to stick to the core gameplay that everyone expects, but how they expand and improve upon it is really what will make or break them. If they get the story telling down, it's all up to the mechanics of the game and design of the world.
My bar has absolutely raised by them putting this remaster out.
They didn't develop the remaster tho, they only published it. Regardless of your feelings on it, the remaster is not indicative of the quality of TES6 either way.
