What is the actual worst TV series you've ever tried to seriously engage with?
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Oh my gosh, yes! As a fan of the books, I was so excited for the series. I was determined not to be put off by the changes to the story the producers made, so it took me a while to realize that the changed story lacked something. Like, being good? I should've just stopped after the terrorist attack that killed nobody, or tens of millions of people maybe, in the first episode just to advance the plot. Great visual effects, no emotional resonance. Why should I care? Nobody on-screen seemed to. I stuck it out until the episode that ended with the one character getting surrounded by the Anacreon landing party, but the show never established why I should care about her. So I didn't, and never bothered with the next episode to resolve the cliff-hanger.
It's a remix of the foundation, understand why they did it because otherwise they'd have to switch of the cast every few episodes. The series is set up to make people that didn't read the books like it and I personally think a lot of what they did makes sense. Some of the changes are good, some are bad, all unfaithful but given how hard it is to put this book on screen I can see why.
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You're an idiot. This series requires a fresh start. Your opinion is garbage.
This is an insult, now what is your argument
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It's kind of hard to go back to USA network shows from the time. Except for Psych. I'll always be here for Psych.
Oh, you know that's right.
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This is an insult, now what is your argument
Not watching from the beginning moment, makes you a moron with zero reasonable opinion. Bitch.
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That’s not universally true. What about Fallout, The Boys, Invincible, Vox Machina/Mighty Nein? And more that escape my mushy brain.
See, I don't know how to answer that because I've never watched any of those, since I don't give money to Jeff Bezos; he already has enough.
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by watching RLM video about the show, I already knew the premise. Plus I like to start in the middle, when things are ramping up, instead of the beginning, where they have to put everything in place... If I like it I might watch the previous episode, for this one I didnt care.
You should try enjoying things instead of consuming them.
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All my group wtched every episode, pure vibe soapy shit.
Every season was the same, new bad guy oh he is ruthless but wait all my guys arrived an hour ago in a van so actually fuck you. Dont take my vest or stupid slow bike that I can only transport two handguns at a time on.
Peaky Blinders is similar.
Ugh, and the shit editing to make it look like they're driving over 15 mph on the back lots.
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He took the ambulance and wrote down in the hospital that he owed them.
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So him talking to the hive as a means to understand how to defeat them, because Carol suggested he finally do so is somehow compromising his values? Should people never ever change or adapt to anything ever?
You seem to attach a negative meaning to what I've said. Compromising values is one way that a person can change and adapt.
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Nooooo, I wanted to watch that! I wish we could have some good Asimov media.
oh, don't let my opinion keep you!
One of my best fiends loves it. He is dumb as a frog, but, hey, maybe you'll like it too
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I loved the books. It didn't matter that the characters were 1 dimensional representations of a concept or political viewpoint, because it was about the ideas amd the setting and the events. Then I struggled thru the Chinese TV series of it because the books were so cool, and the Wang Miao and Da Shi actors were good together. But I think I've had my fill of this story and will never get around to watching the Netflix version.
I tried the books because I liked the concept. I tried 3 times to read the books. Couldn't get into it. Then I heard they got a show and I tried again, hoping I could get into it for the show. Again, I couldn't. And so I watched the show, hoping that would get me into it enough to finish. It wasn't. I think I saw 5 episodes. And I just gave up on everything from all of it. I realized I couldn't get into any aspect.
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Andor is actually really good though. Totally unlike the other Disney Star Wars slop.
Mandalorian was far better than andor tho.
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I don't mean stuff that was obviously bad on sight (to you) and so you didn't bother with, or even necessarily content you just checked out of before the first episode was done. But a series that you ultimately felt wasted your time and abandoned due to its total lack of quality.
I can’t figure out if Future Man is the worst show I’ve ever seen…or kind of charming.
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::: spoilers Pluribus season 1
That's part of it, yes. It starts when he steals the ambulance, which Carol later points out is hypocritical of him. He realizes she's right and consciously decides to start making compromises like allowing her cellphone and exploiting collective resources as a means of discovering how to save humanity. It's a dramatic change from his earlier stance, like how he leaves money in exchange for stolen gas, and it's executed very well. I don't think his unwillingness to sin would have gotten him far in his goals, but the defeat of his resolution is still tragic.
:::I didnt register as tragic to me. (the same way the 2 ep of Carol playing golf and ending with caving in to the Hivemind was not tragic, nor growth)
The no compromise stance made the character dumb (when we see Carol making progress without it)
But as a viewer you still root for the character because he is so un-moving in his belief.
When he abandon all of it in the span in 5 min, it is not tragic.
You realize he was dumb all along, which make the viewer feeling bad for having rooted for such a dumb dude. Especially one that now is perceived has lacking principle. -
I tried the books because I liked the concept. I tried 3 times to read the books. Couldn't get into it. Then I heard they got a show and I tried again, hoping I could get into it for the show. Again, I couldn't. And so I watched the show, hoping that would get me into it enough to finish. It wasn't. I think I saw 5 episodes. And I just gave up on everything from all of it. I realized I couldn't get into any aspect.
Yeah, the books have a certain personality that can be hard to get into. Im not sure if it was a translation issue or what. I found the first one a bit of slog, but the 2nd and 3rd got increasingly better. And that's surprising for a sci-fi book trilogy because usually all the fun creative world building stuff is in the first one.
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He took the ambulance and wrote down in the hospital that he owed them.
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So him talking to the hive as a means to understand how to defeat them, because Carol suggested he finally do so is somehow compromising his values? Should people never ever change or adapt to anything ever?
- they can. But when a show spend 8 ep about how stubborn a protagonist he his , to the point of be ready to die for his principle. Having him abandon all that in 5 min, is just bad writing. Of course he is still against the Hive.
But his "personality" was not being against the Hive (that's Carol trait). His personality was shown to be a stubborn (flawed character= great) asshole (even with carol). And suddenly he become the Hive experimentation dude, talking with them.
Why didnt he do it earlier? Yes.. because he was stupid!! (We knew from the beginning he was, by comparing to carol).The show make a root for a stupid asshole dude. Which now has lost his only redeeming quality (his no compromise stance to the point of dying)
Like it make us root for an asshole Carol (flawed character= great) because she was against the hive. And when she flip, we realize we just rooted for an asshole with now lost her redeeming quality.
BAD writing.But that not even the worst part of the show.. there are still some fun in those character.
But the show is just boring: 1 event by episode, which is totally canceled at the beginning of the next one.I mean, I didnt like Stanger things either, but watching them side by side is painful... Stranger things had multiple stuff happening that actually impact the episode, and the serie. They were often dumb things , and over the top and super cringe with bad acting, but at least something happened.
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- they can. But when a show spend 8 ep about how stubborn a protagonist he his , to the point of be ready to die for his principle. Having him abandon all that in 5 min, is just bad writing. Of course he is still against the Hive.
But his "personality" was not being against the Hive (that's Carol trait). His personality was shown to be a stubborn (flawed character= great) asshole (even with carol). And suddenly he become the Hive experimentation dude, talking with them.
Why didnt he do it earlier? Yes.. because he was stupid!! (We knew from the beginning he was, by comparing to carol).The show make a root for a stupid asshole dude. Which now has lost his only redeeming quality (his no compromise stance to the point of dying)
Like it make us root for an asshole Carol (flawed character= great) because she was against the hive. And when she flip, we realize we just rooted for an asshole with now lost her redeeming quality.
BAD writing.But that not even the worst part of the show.. there are still some fun in those character.
But the show is just boring: 1 event by episode, which is totally canceled at the beginning of the next one.I mean, I didnt like Stanger things either, but watching them side by side is painful... Stranger things had multiple stuff happening that actually impact the episode, and the serie. They were often dumb things , and over the top and super cringe with bad acting, but at least something happened.
But his “personality” was not being against the Hive (that’s Carol trait). His personality was shown to be a stubborn (flawed character= great) asshole (even with carol). And suddenly he become the Hive experimentation dude, talking with them. Why didnt he do it earlier? Yes.. because he was stupid!! (We knew from the beginning he was, by comparing to carol).
He is absolutely against the hive at its core, and is opposed way more than Carol - and he can't be manipulated or bought regarding it - unlike Carol. He spoke to them because Carol suggested he do so.
The show make a root for a stupid asshole dude. Which now has lost his only redeeming quality (his no compromise stance to the point of dying)
Why is a "no compromise" stance to the point of being unable to do anything or learn anything an inherently redeeming quality? This logic simply makes no sense.
Like it make us root for an asshole Carol (flawed character= great) because she was against the hive. And when she flip, we realize we just rooted for an asshole with now lost her redeeming quality. BAD writing.
She flipped, then flipped back.
I fail to see how Carol being manipulated by the hive is inherently bad writing.
But that not even the worst part of the show.. there are still some fun in those character. But the show is just boring: 1 event by episode, which is totally canceled at the beginning of the next one.
What event was "canceled" by the beginning of the next one?
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But his “personality” was not being against the Hive (that’s Carol trait). His personality was shown to be a stubborn (flawed character= great) asshole (even with carol). And suddenly he become the Hive experimentation dude, talking with them. Why didnt he do it earlier? Yes.. because he was stupid!! (We knew from the beginning he was, by comparing to carol).
He is absolutely against the hive at its core, and is opposed way more than Carol - and he can't be manipulated or bought regarding it - unlike Carol. He spoke to them because Carol suggested he do so.
The show make a root for a stupid asshole dude. Which now has lost his only redeeming quality (his no compromise stance to the point of dying)
Why is a "no compromise" stance to the point of being unable to do anything or learn anything an inherently redeeming quality? This logic simply makes no sense.
Like it make us root for an asshole Carol (flawed character= great) because she was against the hive. And when she flip, we realize we just rooted for an asshole with now lost her redeeming quality. BAD writing.
She flipped, then flipped back.
I fail to see how Carol being manipulated by the hive is inherently bad writing.
But that not even the worst part of the show.. there are still some fun in those character. But the show is just boring: 1 event by episode, which is totally canceled at the beginning of the next one.
What event was "canceled" by the beginning of the next one?
|Why is a “no compromise” stance to the point of being unable to do anything or learn anything an inherently redeeming quality
If you remove his non-compromise scenes: you have less than 1 min of him in the show. The whole point of this character is that. Without it , he do NOT exist.
That trait is something that we dont do/see in everyday life. As a viewer it is admirable. This justify how inefficient, and inutile that dude is. He is a total badass in his stubbornness.
This is his ONLY character trait. when it is gone, what is left? A dummy who in 6 episode managed to hear noise at the radio... 6 fricking episode!|She flipped, then flipped back.
That's the point: nobody like flipfloperat this point the french dude with prostitute, seems more likeable.. plus at least he got some interesting info about the hive (stem cell). So when your obviously "evil" character is more effective (knew about human eating) , when he is more efficient than your main.. it is bad writing.
|What event was “canceled” by the beginning of the next one?
Every event at the end of episode promise a big reveal, is super exciting.. and the mountain birth a mole.1- Grenade explode - > panic -> 5 min later nothing change .. one character is in hospital.. big deal.
2- Carol drug the hive (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> nothing change .. Ok the Hive go away : this is a non event... removing a character is bad to advance the plot.
3- Carol learn about eating human (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> she talk to the french -> nothing change
4- nobody do nothing of interest for 2 episode (carol play golf, the spanish dude stupidly go on a suicide journey) -> they meet -> nothing change
5- Carol get in relation with the Hive -> no panic -> nothing changethere is more happening in 1 episode of Stranger Things.. they discover a secret, plan something, put their plan in place, contact the person, resolve personal issue, kill something.. etc
I'm not obsessed with always action.. but in Pluribus NOTHING of importance ever happen. Nothing is learn! Nothing is put in place! No plan! No nothing.Let me bet something:
the A bomb (whouaahhh, omg! exciting! ), will absolutely be of no point in next episode. ... that the whole emo of this show: exciting stuff -> 0 impact.
Like with the grenade, the drug, the human eating.. it will be vaguely discussed in a 5 min dialogue, and nothing will change.The show is wasting time. Which could be kind of okay, if the character were cool to hangout with... So if you enjoy watching asshole flipfloper , or stubborn dummy, you can get some good television. This is not my case, and I would argue that the case of most people watching tv-show, or any medium.
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|Why is a “no compromise” stance to the point of being unable to do anything or learn anything an inherently redeeming quality
If you remove his non-compromise scenes: you have less than 1 min of him in the show. The whole point of this character is that. Without it , he do NOT exist.
That trait is something that we dont do/see in everyday life. As a viewer it is admirable. This justify how inefficient, and inutile that dude is. He is a total badass in his stubbornness.
This is his ONLY character trait. when it is gone, what is left? A dummy who in 6 episode managed to hear noise at the radio... 6 fricking episode!|She flipped, then flipped back.
That's the point: nobody like flipfloperat this point the french dude with prostitute, seems more likeable.. plus at least he got some interesting info about the hive (stem cell). So when your obviously "evil" character is more effective (knew about human eating) , when he is more efficient than your main.. it is bad writing.
|What event was “canceled” by the beginning of the next one?
Every event at the end of episode promise a big reveal, is super exciting.. and the mountain birth a mole.1- Grenade explode - > panic -> 5 min later nothing change .. one character is in hospital.. big deal.
2- Carol drug the hive (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> nothing change .. Ok the Hive go away : this is a non event... removing a character is bad to advance the plot.
3- Carol learn about eating human (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> she talk to the french -> nothing change
4- nobody do nothing of interest for 2 episode (carol play golf, the spanish dude stupidly go on a suicide journey) -> they meet -> nothing change
5- Carol get in relation with the Hive -> no panic -> nothing changethere is more happening in 1 episode of Stranger Things.. they discover a secret, plan something, put their plan in place, contact the person, resolve personal issue, kill something.. etc
I'm not obsessed with always action.. but in Pluribus NOTHING of importance ever happen. Nothing is learn! Nothing is put in place! No plan! No nothing.Let me bet something:
the A bomb (whouaahhh, omg! exciting! ), will absolutely be of no point in next episode. ... that the whole emo of this show: exciting stuff -> 0 impact.
Like with the grenade, the drug, the human eating.. it will be vaguely discussed in a 5 min dialogue, and nothing will change.The show is wasting time. Which could be kind of okay, if the character were cool to hangout with... So if you enjoy watching asshole flipfloper , or stubborn dummy, you can get some good television. This is not my case, and I would argue that the case of most people watching tv-show, or any medium.
If you remove his non-compromise scenes: you have less than 1 min of him in the show. The whole point of this character is that. Without it , he do NOT exist.
Sorry, why do you need to somehow remove his prior scenes in the first place?
That trait is something that we dont do/see in everyday life. As a viewer it is admirable. This justify how inefficient, and inutile that dude is. He is a total badass in his stubbornness. This is his ONLY character trait. when it is gone, what is left? A dummy who in 6 episode managed to hear noise at the radio… 6 fricking episode!
It's not at all. He's clearly principled. He's clearly a gifted survivalist.
1- Grenade explode - > panic -> 5 min later nothing change
What did you expect to change from that? Moreover, it showed Carol just how far the hive would to go to make her happy. That set the stage for the final episode reveal of her acquiring the nuclear warhead from them.
2- Carol drug the hive (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> nothing change
Nothing changed? Her decision to try and drug Zosia caused the hive to abandon her which lasted for the next 2 episodes and culminated in her breaking down and begging for them to come back. It was ultimately them ghosting and abandoning her which led to her surrendering.
Ok the Hive go away : this is a non event…
No, it is not. At all. It tells a little bit more about the hive and greatly impacts Carol personally.
3- Carol learn about eating human (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> she talk to the french -> nothing change 4
What do you imagine should have changed exactly? How would you have written that exactly? She learned why they do it. We learned from that discovery that the most of hive are all going to starve within a decade due to their rigid "do not kill" ideology. This is not nothing. It adds a sense of urgency from Carol's perspective to solve it quicker, and the other survivors perspective to work with them to come up with alternatives. We also learned quite a bit about Koumba during her interactions with him - there's some depth to him despite his hedonism.
nobody do nothing of interest for 2 episode (carol play golf, the spanish dude stupidly go on a suicide journey)
You literally just said that you admired Manousos stubbornness from a writing perspective. Now you're against it?
nothing change 5- Carol get in relation with the Hive -> no panic -> nothing change
What do you imagine should have changed exactly? How would you have written that exactly? That she got into a relationship with Zosia was symbolising her effective surrender and acceptance. Until Manousos arrived and she discovered they were still working on a way to convert her.
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If you remove his non-compromise scenes: you have less than 1 min of him in the show. The whole point of this character is that. Without it , he do NOT exist.
Sorry, why do you need to somehow remove his prior scenes in the first place?
That trait is something that we dont do/see in everyday life. As a viewer it is admirable. This justify how inefficient, and inutile that dude is. He is a total badass in his stubbornness. This is his ONLY character trait. when it is gone, what is left? A dummy who in 6 episode managed to hear noise at the radio… 6 fricking episode!
It's not at all. He's clearly principled. He's clearly a gifted survivalist.
1- Grenade explode - > panic -> 5 min later nothing change
What did you expect to change from that? Moreover, it showed Carol just how far the hive would to go to make her happy. That set the stage for the final episode reveal of her acquiring the nuclear warhead from them.
2- Carol drug the hive (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> nothing change
Nothing changed? Her decision to try and drug Zosia caused the hive to abandon her which lasted for the next 2 episodes and culminated in her breaking down and begging for them to come back. It was ultimately them ghosting and abandoning her which led to her surrendering.
Ok the Hive go away : this is a non event…
No, it is not. At all. It tells a little bit more about the hive and greatly impacts Carol personally.
3- Carol learn about eating human (great, pro actif, original) -> panic -> she talk to the french -> nothing change 4
What do you imagine should have changed exactly? How would you have written that exactly? She learned why they do it. We learned from that discovery that the most of hive are all going to starve within a decade due to their rigid "do not kill" ideology. This is not nothing. It adds a sense of urgency from Carol's perspective to solve it quicker, and the other survivors perspective to work with them to come up with alternatives. We also learned quite a bit about Koumba during her interactions with him - there's some depth to him despite his hedonism.
nobody do nothing of interest for 2 episode (carol play golf, the spanish dude stupidly go on a suicide journey)
You literally just said that you admired Manousos stubbornness from a writing perspective. Now you're against it?
nothing change 5- Carol get in relation with the Hive -> no panic -> nothing change
What do you imagine should have changed exactly? How would you have written that exactly? That she got into a relationship with Zosia was symbolising her effective surrender and acceptance. Until Manousos arrived and she discovered they were still working on a way to convert her.
Interesting question. you want me to write a better show.
Unfortunately I feel I'm not gifted enough to do so, plus this is not my job. So if it make you feel better: I would never be able to write Pluribus.
But I can still recognize when it is shitty. This is called taste. We can have different one, and that's okay. I just argue the glaring problem for my taste.BUT, that being said, If i could change one thing I will never do the 3 episode of Carol flipfloping.
Another example of nothing happen: The hive go away (omg!). Then Carol like them(omg!).. then guess what? we're at square one!!! She hate them again (it is not an arc, it is a circle), but now she has a A-bomb...omg! whaaouh
In the meantime, we had to endure an asshole prick carol having some good time.. the same way the french had some good time. And we should root against the french, but not against carol?? They are doing the exact SAME thing. Bad writing.
We got 3 ep more.. but the cost, was having the main displaying a lack of willpower. Yeah she's back! But no: I cant trust her again. She's a flipflopperI think that's a rule of storytelling. you can trick the audience, but you can no break their trust. We trusted carol to be a bitch to the hive, and 3 ep broke that trust. So yeah she's back.. but...I dont care that much
I think this show could be done in one season, if the writer wanted. And be great.
But just for money, he made it a 5 season show. If I recall the dude is super well-known for previous work, so I guess they let him do whatever. And he indulged into pointless narration -
Interesting question. you want me to write a better show.
Unfortunately I feel I'm not gifted enough to do so, plus this is not my job. So if it make you feel better: I would never be able to write Pluribus.
But I can still recognize when it is shitty. This is called taste. We can have different one, and that's okay. I just argue the glaring problem for my taste.BUT, that being said, If i could change one thing I will never do the 3 episode of Carol flipfloping.
Another example of nothing happen: The hive go away (omg!). Then Carol like them(omg!).. then guess what? we're at square one!!! She hate them again (it is not an arc, it is a circle), but now she has a A-bomb...omg! whaaouh
In the meantime, we had to endure an asshole prick carol having some good time.. the same way the french had some good time. And we should root against the french, but not against carol?? They are doing the exact SAME thing. Bad writing.
We got 3 ep more.. but the cost, was having the main displaying a lack of willpower. Yeah she's back! But no: I cant trust her again. She's a flipflopperI think that's a rule of storytelling. you can trick the audience, but you can no break their trust. We trusted carol to be a bitch to the hive, and 3 ep broke that trust. So yeah she's back.. but...I dont care that much
I think this show could be done in one season, if the writer wanted. And be great.
But just for money, he made it a 5 season show. If I recall the dude is super well-known for previous work, so I guess they let him do whatever. And he indulged into pointless narrationBUT, that being said, If i could change one thing I will never do the 3 episode of Carol flipfloping. Another example of nothing happen: The hive go away (omg!).
Then Carol like them(omg!).. then guess what? we’re at square one!!!
Is that really all you took from that arc? You took nothing else from it?
the same way the french had some good time. And we should root against the french, but not against carol??
"The French" (Koumba) doesn't want to end the hive. Carol, for most of the season did. You really don't see the difference there?
Also, it's not about "rooting for Carol in terms of her as a person - but her goals in ending the hive. Koumba doesn't want to do that because he benefits from it. He may be an interesting character, but he isn't trying to fix it. Carol and Manousos are despite them being somewhat anti-social and sarcastic characters. The whole tagline is "The world's most miserable woman has to save the world from happiness".
Bad writing. We got 3 ep more.. but the cost, was having the main displaying a lack of willpower. Yeah she’s back! But no: I cant trust her again. She’s a flipflopper
Do you think she just flipped randomly? Nothing prompted that?
I think that’s a rule of storytelling. you can trick the audience, but you can no break their trust. We trusted carol to be a bitch to the hive, and 3 ep broke that trust. So yeah she’s back.. but…I dont care that much
It was more like 2 episodes, not 3.
I think this show could be done in one season, if the writer wanted. And be great. But just for money, he made it a 5 season show. If I recall the dude is super well-known for previous work, so I guess they let him do whatever. And he indulged into pointless narration
How do you know that it could've been done in one season? You've no idea what's next.
The "dude" is known for Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, so yeah, he comes with a solid reputation.
