Blizzard reportedly partnering with Arc Raiders owner Nexon to revive StarCraft as a shooter
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Let's take something arguably genre defining and turn it into a fad chaser! Great idea.
Let’s take everything the fans love about Starcraft and throw it away. Once we have a soulless aesthetic husk remaining we can slap it in to any piece of shit and count on nostalgia to bring in the buyers!
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StarCraft Brood War pro scene is still going strong! I encourage anyone curious about SC to dip back into the active pro scene. A new season of ASL (GSL of old) is going to start in the next month, or so. And for the sickos, Artosis has a daily YouTube of matches. His enthusiasm is unmatched.
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"Now with less SA" -Blizzard, probably.
Saudi Arabia or Sexual Assault?
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Blizzard hasn't been good since they sold out to Activision.
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You’re arguing against a position nobody stated. My criticism isn’t that an IP ever appears in another genre. It is the pattern of publishers repurposing established strategy franchises into monetization-friendly live-service shooters because that market is larger and more predictable.
Warhammer is a poor comparison. Games like Vermintide didn’t replace or redefine Warhammer; they existed alongside a still-supported core genre identity. The RTS space around StarCraft has effectively been abandoned for years. So when the first meaningful revival rumor turns out to be a shooter, I read it less as expansion and more as substitution.
If Blizzard announced a new RTS and also a shooter spin-off, I would not be critical. The reaction is about genre displacement, not genre diversification.
So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
Because I don't know if you've looked at the numbers but RTS is pretty much dead. One of the biggest RTS-s of the past 5 years was a remaster of Age of Mythology and that sold less than a million units. Starcraft 3 would have to sell something like 3 million units at launch and have an estimate of hitting at least 7 million in 2 years, because ActiBliz has certain expectation for sales and those expectations far exceed what Starcraft 2 sold in its entire lifetime. Starcraft would have to sell Diablo numbers.
I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another mainline Starcraft RTS. I don't think we'll be seeing another Warcraft RTS either.
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It‘s so funny to me that Nexon is now known as the Arc Raiders owner. They threw money at Embark Studios and had nothing to do with development otherwise so don‘t expect anything great coming out of this.
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StarCraft Brood War pro scene is still going strong! I encourage anyone curious about SC to dip back into the active pro scene. A new season of ASL (GSL of old) is going to start in the next month, or so. And for the sickos, Artosis has a daily YouTube of matches. His enthusiasm is unmatched.
Wait a sec... Brood war is the expansion for sc1.
Are you telling me that there's still a competitive sc1 scene? Holy fuck. What are the metas even like in that game now? What level is the meta even at??
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World of StarCraft lets gooooooooo!!!
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You think you do but you don't
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ZeroSpace you're our only hope. Please be the Tempest Rising to Command and Conquer that StarCraft needs.
The what to what that what?
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So Fire Warrior/Ghost?
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Wait a sec... Brood war is the expansion for sc1.
Are you telling me that there's still a competitive sc1 scene? Holy fuck. What are the metas even like in that game now? What level is the meta even at??
You're in for one hell of a good time, my friend. The scene revived after SC1 Remastered and waning interest in SC2.
Here is Artosis' daily cast:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf0ynO5nqkPq_7Xn-973d2wHere is the most recent ASL (season 21 will be on this same page):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg -
So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
Because I don't know if you've looked at the numbers but RTS is pretty much dead. One of the biggest RTS-s of the past 5 years was a remaster of Age of Mythology and that sold less than a million units. Starcraft 3 would have to sell something like 3 million units at launch and have an estimate of hitting at least 7 million in 2 years, because ActiBliz has certain expectation for sales and those expectations far exceed what Starcraft 2 sold in its entire lifetime. Starcraft would have to sell Diablo numbers.
I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another mainline Starcraft RTS. I don't think we'll be seeing another Warcraft RTS either.
So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
This is such a wild take. We are absolutely drowning in bland games built on IPs that the new devs had no care for and were simply cashing in on. In what world are you thinking we need more blatant cashgrabs with a coat of StarCraft-tinted paint? And that we're hoping for good things from Microsoft at this point? Nah, I'm good, thanks.
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Was it really so poorly received? I gotta admit I enjoyed SC2 and was happy to finish out the story, but was much less critical of games etc in my younger years, and have not gone back to play it again since. The ending on diablo 3 though, boy was I unimpressed.
People, myself included disliked the star crossed lover turn 2 went with following Brood War. Sharp shift from Raynor pledging to kill Karrigan to then being a depressed drunk wanting to save her. That added to the tone being way lighter. Protoss became maybe too high elfy
Terrans, I feel like they flanderized around a basic cowboy western aesthetic rather than anything the confederacy or UED were like in Brood War. A lot more competitive politics for the Terrans in the first game. A bit off that the UED didn't return.
Zerg became a lot less interesting in my opinion. Kerrigan was redeemed. No overmind or cerebrate intrigue. I think many had way higher expectations for a hybrid/xel'naga faction
I remember a lot of complaints about the first 2 games story being long treks to make kerrigan not Zerg and then Zerg again. I don't mind the end or what the Xel Naga ended up being, just the journey not having the weight of the first game. A lack of anger. Faction politics didn't match up the anger of the first game. Felt more high fantasy to me than sci-fi
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World of StarCraft lets gooooooooo!!!
Hmm, maybe Call of Shootercraft
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So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
This is such a wild take. We are absolutely drowning in bland games built on IPs that the new devs had no care for and were simply cashing in on. In what world are you thinking we need more blatant cashgrabs with a coat of StarCraft-tinted paint? And that we're hoping for good things from Microsoft at this point? Nah, I'm good, thanks.
I wasn't saying that we need another blatant cash grab. I was actually implying that if you want the IP to stay even remotely relevant you need to start looking beyond the RTS genre because that genre doesn't pay the bills.
But since you went there, yeah I'd absolutely take who knows how many cash grab attempts if it means even a chance of getting some great games. I'm going to point at Warhammer because the other person also brought it up. Warhammer 40k franchise is also full of "cash grabs". But between those cash grabs are absolute gems like Space Marine 1 and 2, Dawn of War series, Darktide, Rogue trader. If we rejected all Warhammer games as "blatant cash grabs" we'd actually be worse off. I'm not saying whatever shooter they're working on is going to be great or anything of the sorts, but I'm not going to instantly dismiss it because it might be a cash grab. I'll form that opinion when I've actually seen something more than an industry source stating they're working on a shooter.
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People, myself included disliked the star crossed lover turn 2 went with following Brood War. Sharp shift from Raynor pledging to kill Karrigan to then being a depressed drunk wanting to save her. That added to the tone being way lighter. Protoss became maybe too high elfy
Terrans, I feel like they flanderized around a basic cowboy western aesthetic rather than anything the confederacy or UED were like in Brood War. A lot more competitive politics for the Terrans in the first game. A bit off that the UED didn't return.
Zerg became a lot less interesting in my opinion. Kerrigan was redeemed. No overmind or cerebrate intrigue. I think many had way higher expectations for a hybrid/xel'naga faction
I remember a lot of complaints about the first 2 games story being long treks to make kerrigan not Zerg and then Zerg again. I don't mind the end or what the Xel Naga ended up being, just the journey not having the weight of the first game. A lack of anger. Faction politics didn't match up the anger of the first game. Felt more high fantasy to me than sci-fi
Yeah you're totally valid in all of that, can't argue with any of it.
There may well have been a subconscious reason I didn't go back and play it through again.
Blizzard were clearly on the decline by that point and seem to have basically jumped off a cliff rather than just increased the gradient on which they were sliding. Sad times.
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It‘s so funny to me that Nexon is now known as the Arc Raiders owner. They threw money at Embark Studios and had nothing to do with development otherwise so don‘t expect anything great coming out of this.
They will forever remind me of Shattered Galaxy and how there has never been anything else like it.
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Blizzard hasn't been good since they sold out to Activision.
The first 2-3 or so years of overwatch was good. Role queue ruined it and ow2 was the final nail in the coffin. Arguably to your point, it wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't pushing for OWL so hard with balancing.
Otherwise, yeah
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Will it have cloud? What about A.I.?
