Blizzard reportedly partnering with Arc Raiders owner Nexon to revive StarCraft as a shooter
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Wait a sec... Brood war is the expansion for sc1.
Are you telling me that there's still a competitive sc1 scene? Holy fuck. What are the metas even like in that game now? What level is the meta even at??
You're in for one hell of a good time, my friend. The scene revived after SC1 Remastered and waning interest in SC2.
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So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
Because I don't know if you've looked at the numbers but RTS is pretty much dead. One of the biggest RTS-s of the past 5 years was a remaster of Age of Mythology and that sold less than a million units. Starcraft 3 would have to sell something like 3 million units at launch and have an estimate of hitting at least 7 million in 2 years, because ActiBliz has certain expectation for sales and those expectations far exceed what Starcraft 2 sold in its entire lifetime. Starcraft would have to sell Diablo numbers.
I'd be very surprised if we ever saw another mainline Starcraft RTS. I don't think we'll be seeing another Warcraft RTS either.
So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
This is such a wild take. We are absolutely drowning in bland games built on IPs that the new devs had no care for and were simply cashing in on. In what world are you thinking we need more blatant cashgrabs with a coat of StarCraft-tinted paint? And that we're hoping for good things from Microsoft at this point? Nah, I'm good, thanks.
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Was it really so poorly received? I gotta admit I enjoyed SC2 and was happy to finish out the story, but was much less critical of games etc in my younger years, and have not gone back to play it again since. The ending on diablo 3 though, boy was I unimpressed.
People, myself included disliked the star crossed lover turn 2 went with following Brood War. Sharp shift from Raynor pledging to kill Karrigan to then being a depressed drunk wanting to save her. That added to the tone being way lighter. Protoss became maybe too high elfy
Terrans, I feel like they flanderized around a basic cowboy western aesthetic rather than anything the confederacy or UED were like in Brood War. A lot more competitive politics for the Terrans in the first game. A bit off that the UED didn't return.
Zerg became a lot less interesting in my opinion. Kerrigan was redeemed. No overmind or cerebrate intrigue. I think many had way higher expectations for a hybrid/xel'naga faction
I remember a lot of complaints about the first 2 games story being long treks to make kerrigan not Zerg and then Zerg again. I don't mind the end or what the Xel Naga ended up being, just the journey not having the weight of the first game. A lack of anger. Faction politics didn't match up the anger of the first game. Felt more high fantasy to me than sci-fi
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World of StarCraft lets gooooooooo!!!
Hmm, maybe Call of Shootercraft
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So you would rather get no Starcraft games than get a Starcraft game that is not an RTS?
This is such a wild take. We are absolutely drowning in bland games built on IPs that the new devs had no care for and were simply cashing in on. In what world are you thinking we need more blatant cashgrabs with a coat of StarCraft-tinted paint? And that we're hoping for good things from Microsoft at this point? Nah, I'm good, thanks.
I wasn't saying that we need another blatant cash grab. I was actually implying that if you want the IP to stay even remotely relevant you need to start looking beyond the RTS genre because that genre doesn't pay the bills.
But since you went there, yeah I'd absolutely take who knows how many cash grab attempts if it means even a chance of getting some great games. I'm going to point at Warhammer because the other person also brought it up. Warhammer 40k franchise is also full of "cash grabs". But between those cash grabs are absolute gems like Space Marine 1 and 2, Dawn of War series, Darktide, Rogue trader. If we rejected all Warhammer games as "blatant cash grabs" we'd actually be worse off. I'm not saying whatever shooter they're working on is going to be great or anything of the sorts, but I'm not going to instantly dismiss it because it might be a cash grab. I'll form that opinion when I've actually seen something more than an industry source stating they're working on a shooter.
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People, myself included disliked the star crossed lover turn 2 went with following Brood War. Sharp shift from Raynor pledging to kill Karrigan to then being a depressed drunk wanting to save her. That added to the tone being way lighter. Protoss became maybe too high elfy
Terrans, I feel like they flanderized around a basic cowboy western aesthetic rather than anything the confederacy or UED were like in Brood War. A lot more competitive politics for the Terrans in the first game. A bit off that the UED didn't return.
Zerg became a lot less interesting in my opinion. Kerrigan was redeemed. No overmind or cerebrate intrigue. I think many had way higher expectations for a hybrid/xel'naga faction
I remember a lot of complaints about the first 2 games story being long treks to make kerrigan not Zerg and then Zerg again. I don't mind the end or what the Xel Naga ended up being, just the journey not having the weight of the first game. A lack of anger. Faction politics didn't match up the anger of the first game. Felt more high fantasy to me than sci-fi
Yeah you're totally valid in all of that, can't argue with any of it.
There may well have been a subconscious reason I didn't go back and play it through again.
Blizzard were clearly on the decline by that point and seem to have basically jumped off a cliff rather than just increased the gradient on which they were sliding. Sad times.
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It‘s so funny to me that Nexon is now known as the Arc Raiders owner. They threw money at Embark Studios and had nothing to do with development otherwise so don‘t expect anything great coming out of this.
They will forever remind me of Shattered Galaxy and how there has never been anything else like it.
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Blizzard hasn't been good since they sold out to Activision.
The first 2-3 or so years of overwatch was good. Role queue ruined it and ow2 was the final nail in the coffin. Arguably to your point, it wouldn't have been so bad if they weren't pushing for OWL so hard with balancing.
Otherwise, yeah
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Will it have cloud? What about A.I.?
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Will it have cloud? What about A.I.?
If there are NPCs, there is AI.
You should be more specific. Ask about machine generated content or neuronal networks, etc.
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Firing up the new Starcraft shooter, the female voice in your coms says: "Run down this hallway, you're going to need to prove you know how to crouch and jump over obstacles before you can learn how to switch weapon modes!"
yeah, I am gonna need something really special to get excited about another FPS shooter no matter what the wallpaper looks like.
FPS shooter
First Person Shooter shooter
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FPS shooter
First Person Shooter shooter
go step on a partially melted ice cube in your socks.
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Wait a sec... Brood war is the expansion for sc1.
Are you telling me that there's still a competitive sc1 scene? Holy fuck. What are the metas even like in that game now? What level is the meta even at??
There very much is still a scene and it's pretty popular! The meta continues to change which is insane for such an old and allegedly "figured out" game. I see pros using units in matchups that I thought were completely unplayable. There's a new funky half-island map (Roaring Currents aka Screaming Seas) that has shown some really wild games. I'm rambling, please check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/@SOOPesports_EN
I play Starcraft 2 today, but freely admit that Brood War is way more entertaining to watch!
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There very much is still a scene and it's pretty popular! The meta continues to change which is insane for such an old and allegedly "figured out" game. I see pros using units in matchups that I thought were completely unplayable. There's a new funky half-island map (Roaring Currents aka Screaming Seas) that has shown some really wild games. I'm rambling, please check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/@SOOPesports_EN
I play Starcraft 2 today, but freely admit that Brood War is way more entertaining to watch!
I'm not privy to the, now, decades-long evolution of competitive StarCraft. Why is Brood War more interesting to watch?
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Will it have cloud? What about A.I.?
..and more importantly, what about NFTs?!
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Blizzard hasn't been good since they sold out to Activision.
This is a slight historical re-write.
Blizzard’s parent company since ‘98 (Vivendi) was the larger of two companies at the time of the merger in ‘08, and put forward $2b towards the merger vs. Activision’s $1b.
Vivendi remained the majority shareholder of the new entity, and chose to appoint Bobby Kotick as the CEO.
Activision-Blizzard didn’t buy-out majority control until ‘13 - well after the enshittification began.
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go step on a partially melted ice cube in your socks.
I suppose your username checks out!
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The what to what that what?
ZeroSpace is to Starcraft the same way Tempest Rising is to Command & Conquer.
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I'm not privy to the, now, decades-long evolution of competitive StarCraft. Why is Brood War more interesting to watch?
I watch both and I think Brood War is more interesting to watch because there are more fights that last longer and the RNG factor means you can't tell how the fight is going to go before it happens. There are a lot of tense and exciting moments in Brood War compared to SC2. How many shots will miss when shooting up a cliff? Will this mine detonate and kill 3 dragoons? How long will it take the player to notice that a DT is slaughtering drones without a notification? Will the reaver shot connect or dud? Will the scourges connect?
Basically SC2 is a lot easier to play with very little RNG. Pro players don't even attack each other early anymore because every cheese is solved. Brood War has a really good rock/paper/scissors balance that has shockingly lasted 25 years with no real balance patches. Also the game was remastered and the graphics are beautiful now.
