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One-Third of U.S. Video Game Industry Workers Were Laid Off Over the Last Two Years, GDC Study Reveals

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  • reisen@sh.itjust.worksR reisen@sh.itjust.works

    it's not happening because at the same time the willingness of investors to find new studios and games also drastically went down

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    righthandofikaros@lemmy.world
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    Investors are not required to form an indie studio. They are not required to build a fun game that makes a lot of money. Indie studios do not require massive injections of cash. Most indie studios are formed on what is available to the team collectively. It isn't something that is easy, it takes effort, but it is not impossible. Most indie studios are initially formed with like, less than $20k USD in total investment. Many are just one guy with a budget of $0.

    It is more likely that the amount of money that an investor would realistically need to give is considered too small to be worth the PR, but too big to just give away in a whim. Enough that one or multiple studio members could easily take out a personal load to invest into the studio without needing a private investor.

    Now, if those people are demanding multiple big six+ figure investments, then they aren't trying to form an indie studio, they're trying to form a AAA studio that is publisher independant. Which is an unreasonable ask.

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    • G grimy@lemmy.world

      One-third is the cut most game stores take.

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      yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Steam takes more, right?

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      • R righthandofikaros@lemmy.world

        Investors are not required to form an indie studio. They are not required to build a fun game that makes a lot of money. Indie studios do not require massive injections of cash. Most indie studios are formed on what is available to the team collectively. It isn't something that is easy, it takes effort, but it is not impossible. Most indie studios are initially formed with like, less than $20k USD in total investment. Many are just one guy with a budget of $0.

        It is more likely that the amount of money that an investor would realistically need to give is considered too small to be worth the PR, but too big to just give away in a whim. Enough that one or multiple studio members could easily take out a personal load to invest into the studio without needing a private investor.

        Now, if those people are demanding multiple big six+ figure investments, then they aren't trying to form an indie studio, they're trying to form a AAA studio that is publisher independant. Which is an unreasonable ask.

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        jaaake@lemmy.world
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        Investors are not required to form an indie studio, in the case where every team member of that studio has some means to pay their own rent/mortgage, bills, and feed themselves for the entire duration of the project. If you're in the US, you'll also need to figure out how you're paying for health insurance. This could be a passion project in addition to a day job, but coordinating work/life balance in that scenario with multiple team members is exponentially difficult.

        Money adds up quick. Let's use some round numbers and say you want to hire a team with some experience (those folks that just got laid off and are looking for work). Let's say everybody on the team costs the project $100k/year in salary & benefits. Let's just imagine that includes costs a normal employer would pay: insurance premiums, IT hosting costs, all the little stuff. Note, this is underpaying people with more than 5 years experience who live in California (where many game dev studios are based). Let's say you can get the game made in one year with everybody starting on day one and ending on ship day, exactly 365 days later. People will be wearing multiple hats, but let's be general.

        • 1x Gameplay Programmer
        • 1x 3D Artist (general modeler)
        • 1x 2D Artist (general texture artist)
        • 1x Game Designer (Camera/Controls/Combat)
        • 1x Audio Designer

        $500k

        Expanding that team:

        • 1x Animator
        • 1x Character Artist
        • 1x Environment Artist
        • 1x Prop Artist
        • 1x VFX Artist
        • 1x Lighting Specialist
        • 1x Tools Programmer
        • 1x Render/Optimization Programmer
        • 1x Level Designer
        • 1x Narrative Designer

        $1.5M

        That's a 15 person studio, where people are still wearing multiple hats like UI, Music, IT, Testing, other things I'm forgetting about. This isn't anywhere close to a AAA sized team of 100+ people.

        This is also assuming you can stick to a STRICT time schedule. In reality you're probably going to need a very small team at the start and not grow until you finish prototyping, then again once you've done a vertical slice.

        Anyway. This post got real long. The gist of it is the people making the game need that money to live. There should be space in the industry to make a game with a team this size, paying your employees something close to what the big studios pay them. Getting that kind of money has been incredibly difficult these past few years.

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          Steam takes more, right?

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          grimy@lemmy.world
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          30% like the rest.

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            30% like the rest.

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            yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            I hate having to install Steam to play games. Fucking malware.

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              I hate having to install Steam to play games. Fucking malware.

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              systemglitch@lemmy.world
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              Steam is the best thing to happen to gaming period.

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              • S systemglitch@lemmy.world

                Steam is the best thing to happen to gaming period.

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                grimy@lemmy.world
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                Steam is the best thing to happen to Gaben. It's better than the other options as a product but the bar is really low and steam takes advantage just as much as the other players. The soft monopoly going on is clearly having an effect imo.

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                  Steam is the best thing to happen to Gaben. It's better than the other options as a product but the bar is really low and steam takes advantage just as much as the other players. The soft monopoly going on is clearly having an effect imo.

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                  starski@lemmy.zip
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                  What are the examples of steam "taking advantage just as much as the other players?"

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                    What are the examples of steam "taking advantage just as much as the other players?"

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                    grimy@lemmy.world
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                    By not competing with them. Gaben has 1.5 billion dollars worth of yachts. Steam doesn't need to be taking 30% and only does so because everyone else does. I guess big companies colluding, each with a billionaire at the helm, is kind of the law of the market tbh but it's not "the best".

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                    • G grimy@lemmy.world

                      By not competing with them. Gaben has 1.5 billion dollars worth of yachts. Steam doesn't need to be taking 30% and only does so because everyone else does. I guess big companies colluding, each with a billionaire at the helm, is kind of the law of the market tbh but it's not "the best".

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                      starski@lemmy.zip
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                      Idk, I think 30% is perfectly fair considering what a massive market steam is and the huge amount of publicity you get from putting it on steam. I'll agree that by certain definitions steam is a monopoly, but they aren't committing any anti competition practices, and this is further proven by them taking the standard 30% if they wanted to they could only take 10%, and that would probably be seen as anti competition by quite a few countries, as many other companies couldn't deal with trying to make their percentage lower. Steam is essentially being the standard here, and if any other service wanted to take a smaller cut they could, and developers would turn to it more often. For instance, itch.io. if steam were a true monopoly, you could be certain that itch.io wouldn't exist anymore. Ill change my mind on this when steam loses a SINGLE monopoly lawsuit, and until then you guys need to do more research on actual monopolies.

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                        pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip
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                        But Microsoft pinky promised that allowing them to breach anti-trust law would not result in layoffs.

                        Game studios purchased by Microsoft

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                          xyro@morbier.foo
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                          In the industry as well, future does look grim for the companies...

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                            Idk, I think 30% is perfectly fair considering what a massive market steam is and the huge amount of publicity you get from putting it on steam. I'll agree that by certain definitions steam is a monopoly, but they aren't committing any anti competition practices, and this is further proven by them taking the standard 30% if they wanted to they could only take 10%, and that would probably be seen as anti competition by quite a few countries, as many other companies couldn't deal with trying to make their percentage lower. Steam is essentially being the standard here, and if any other service wanted to take a smaller cut they could, and developers would turn to it more often. For instance, itch.io. if steam were a true monopoly, you could be certain that itch.io wouldn't exist anymore. Ill change my mind on this when steam loses a SINGLE monopoly lawsuit, and until then you guys need to do more research on actual monopolies.

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                            grimy@lemmy.world
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                            There's only a handful of companies and the smallest one (itch.io) takes between 0% and 10%. The companies that "couldn't deal with it" are Microsoft (for Xbox, they actually take 12% on PC), Nintendo, Sony.

                            Look up what a soft monopoly is. In any case, they have market dominance and are abusing it. Steam is currently dealing with more than one anti trust lawsuit, including a 900$ million one in the UK.

                            It's weird seeing people defend billionaires and their money sucking machine. You could defend Airbnb or Amazon with that same kind of energy and arguments. They haven't lost a single monopoly lawsuit either.

                            30% is a disgusting cut for a few gb of data on a virtual store front. It's having a negative impact on devs, and it only helps makes rich people richer. You don't get a networth of 9 to 11 billion by being fair and having consumers at heart. Steam and Gaben aren't your friends, they actively treat you and the industry as a bag of money to be exploited. They just have a really good marketing team.

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                              Steam is the best thing to happen to gaming period.

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                              yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                              The economic illiteracy in this thread is so bad, it’s embarassing.

                              For a decade, until it was forced by regulators, Steam refused to return games even when they were completely broken. It does not need to take 30% for providing a limited service with absurd profit margins. It exists because of oligopoly and laziness.

                              You might as well say that Audible is good for the book industry (it’s not) and that Walmart is good for the local economy.

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                              • P pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip

                                But Microsoft pinky promised that allowing them to breach anti-trust law would not result in layoffs.

                                Game studios purchased by Microsoft

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                                knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world
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                                Shouldn't indy studios be springing up everywhere?

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                                • F fandangalo@lemmy.world

                                  I was included in this. Was laid off back in June 2025. One of the best places I ever worked.

                                  The industry is super tough. I got very lucky & started a new job at the beginning of the month. Being out of work for 6 months sucked, and some people I mentor have been out much longer.

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                                  knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world
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                                  What would happen if the layed off created new studios together?

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                                  • J jaaake@lemmy.world

                                    Investors are not required to form an indie studio, in the case where every team member of that studio has some means to pay their own rent/mortgage, bills, and feed themselves for the entire duration of the project. If you're in the US, you'll also need to figure out how you're paying for health insurance. This could be a passion project in addition to a day job, but coordinating work/life balance in that scenario with multiple team members is exponentially difficult.

                                    Money adds up quick. Let's use some round numbers and say you want to hire a team with some experience (those folks that just got laid off and are looking for work). Let's say everybody on the team costs the project $100k/year in salary & benefits. Let's just imagine that includes costs a normal employer would pay: insurance premiums, IT hosting costs, all the little stuff. Note, this is underpaying people with more than 5 years experience who live in California (where many game dev studios are based). Let's say you can get the game made in one year with everybody starting on day one and ending on ship day, exactly 365 days later. People will be wearing multiple hats, but let's be general.

                                    • 1x Gameplay Programmer
                                    • 1x 3D Artist (general modeler)
                                    • 1x 2D Artist (general texture artist)
                                    • 1x Game Designer (Camera/Controls/Combat)
                                    • 1x Audio Designer

                                    $500k

                                    Expanding that team:

                                    • 1x Animator
                                    • 1x Character Artist
                                    • 1x Environment Artist
                                    • 1x Prop Artist
                                    • 1x VFX Artist
                                    • 1x Lighting Specialist
                                    • 1x Tools Programmer
                                    • 1x Render/Optimization Programmer
                                    • 1x Level Designer
                                    • 1x Narrative Designer

                                    $1.5M

                                    That's a 15 person studio, where people are still wearing multiple hats like UI, Music, IT, Testing, other things I'm forgetting about. This isn't anywhere close to a AAA sized team of 100+ people.

                                    This is also assuming you can stick to a STRICT time schedule. In reality you're probably going to need a very small team at the start and not grow until you finish prototyping, then again once you've done a vertical slice.

                                    Anyway. This post got real long. The gist of it is the people making the game need that money to live. There should be space in the industry to make a game with a team this size, paying your employees something close to what the big studios pay them. Getting that kind of money has been incredibly difficult these past few years.

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                                    knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world
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                                    Can kick-starter work for funding? Weekend game jam, demo, kick-start, develop, repeat.

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                                    • T thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net

                                      As someone who was recently laid off if anyone wants to front the cash I'm currently available for cheap.

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                                      knock_knock_lemmy_in@lemmy.world
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                                      I would front $10 if you can produce a fun "game jam winning" level of prototype.
                                      You just need a few thousand more like me.

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                                      • G grimy@lemmy.world

                                        By not competing with them. Gaben has 1.5 billion dollars worth of yachts. Steam doesn't need to be taking 30% and only does so because everyone else does. I guess big companies colluding, each with a billionaire at the helm, is kind of the law of the market tbh but it's not "the best".

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                                        BeeegScaaawyCripple
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                                        how is steam not competing with them? steam outcompeted them.

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                                          how is steam not competing with them? steam outcompeted them.

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                                          grimy@lemmy.world
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                                          Everyone's fine with staying in their lane and charging the standard percentage. Keeping the status quo to maximize profits isn't competing.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing

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