Fun fact: you can't upload this image on piefed.social
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Oh please if Lemmy had that hard coded you would absolutely not be defending it. Even if it was just .ml you'd still use it to smear all of Lemmy. I hate 4chan too and would prefer not to see it, but this is still by definition a very heavy handed imposing of one's personal opinion on others and limiting expression but somehow it doesn't get the authoritarian label. Wonder why.
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Oh please if Lemmy had that hard coded you would absolutely not be defending it. Even if it was just .ml you'd still use it to smear all of Lemmy. I hate 4chan too and would prefer not to see it, but this is still by definition a very heavy handed imposing of one's personal opinion on others and limiting expression but somehow it doesn't get the authoritarian label. Wonder why.
It can be taken out is what I mean. You are talking as if it can't.
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Is it the case for https://anarchist.nexus/ as well ?
Nah, mainly being funny while observing. But the admins have to do more work removing the things from PieFed to make it tolerable.
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I don't get this logic. What in the tools reference here are 'reddit' specifically? I assume you just mean the reputation function?
The censorship from the creator for things they don't like and the really bad backend.
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The censorship from the creator for things they don't like and the really bad backend.
You can turn off the 4chan censor.
I can't comment about the quality of the code, that doesn't seem like a relevant comment to make regarding any comparisons to Reddit.
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It can be taken out if, 1, you know it exists (is it documented?), 2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?). Sure seems like being able to take it out is a side effect of it being open source and was not intended to be configurable. If that's your bar then any feature you don't like in any fediverse platform "can be taken out." You're talking as if it was explicitly made to be taken out.
Also, it doesn't just detect 4chan pictures. It MASSIVELY overblocks. This is Lemmy's slur filter blocking "fire removedant" but on steroids. Tell me again how Pifed is the "anti authoritarian" Lemmy.
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It can be taken out if, 1, you know it exists (is it documented?), 2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?). Sure seems like being able to take it out is a side effect of it being open source and was not intended to be configurable. If that's your bar then any feature you don't like in any fediverse platform "can be taken out." You're talking as if it was explicitly made to be taken out.
Also, it doesn't just detect 4chan pictures. It MASSIVELY overblocks. This is Lemmy's slur filter blocking "fire removedant" but on steroids. Tell me again how Pifed is the "anti authoritarian" Lemmy.
It is public knowledge. Not sure about the documentation level.
No, I think it can removed in the administration settings of an instance.
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Nah, mainly being funny while observing. But the admins have to do more work removing the things from PieFed to make it tolerable.
the filter this post is about and most of the others mentioned in this thread are off by default.
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How do I know whether my instance has these filters applied or not? And if rimu is putting "deliberately misleading error messages", how can I be sure of anything?
I'm on your instance. I never encountered any of the filters mentioned in this thread.
You can always the details on !home@piefed.zip to be sure, the admins are quite reactive.
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It can be taken out if, 1, you know it exists (is it documented?), 2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?). Sure seems like being able to take it out is a side effect of it being open source and was not intended to be configurable. If that's your bar then any feature you don't like in any fediverse platform "can be taken out." You're talking as if it was explicitly made to be taken out.
Also, it doesn't just detect 4chan pictures. It MASSIVELY overblocks. This is Lemmy's slur filter blocking "fire removedant" but on steroids. Tell me again how Pifed is the "anti authoritarian" Lemmy.
2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?)
You don't need your own fork, all of those filters are editable in the admin settings.
I'm on piefed.zip, I can comment "This" just fine:
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There are all kinds of fun stuff in the Piefed code. Allow me to dredge up a comment I made recently:
@edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space was looking at PieFed code the other week, and I ended up taking a look at it too. Its great fun to sneak a peak at.
For example, you cannot cast a vote on PieFed if you've made 0 replies, 0 posts, AND your username is 8 characters long:
def cannot_vote(self): if self.is_local(): return False return self.post_count == 0 and self.post_reply_count == 0 and len( self.user_name) == 8 # most vote manipulation bots have 8 character user names and never post any contentIf a reply is created, from anywhere, that only contains the word "this", the comment is dropped (CW: ableism in the function name):
def reply_is_stupid(body) -> bool: lower_body = body.lower().strip() if lower_body == 'this' or lower_body == 'this.' or lower_body == 'this!': return True return FalseEvery user (remote or local) has an "attitude" which is calculated as follows:
(upvotes cast - downvotes cast) / (upvotes + downvotes). If your "attitude" is < 0.0 you can't downvote.Every account has a Social Credit Score, aka your Reputation. If your account has less than 100 reputation and is newly created, you are not considered "trustworthy" and there are limitations placed on what your account can do. Your reputation is calculated as
upvotes earned - downvotes earnedaka Reddit Karma. If your reputation is at -10 you also cannot downvote, and you can't create new DMs. It also flags your account automatically if your reputation is to low:
PieFed boasts that it has "4chan image detection". Let's see how that works in practice:
if site.enable_chan_image_filter: # Do not allow fascist meme content try: if '.avif' in uploaded_file.filename: import pillow_avif # NOQA image_text = pytesseract.image_to_string(Image.open(BytesIO(uploaded_file.read())).convert('L')) except FileNotFoundError: image_text = '' except UnidentifiedImageError: image_text = '' if 'Anonymous' in image_text and ( 'No.' in image_text or ' N0' in image_text): # chan posts usually contain the text 'Anonymous' and ' No.12345' self.image_file.errors.append( "This image is an invalid file type.") # deliberately misleading error message current_user.reputation -= 1 db.session.commit() return FalseYup. If your image contains the word
Anonymous, and contains the textNo.orN0it will reject the image with a fake error message. Not only does it give you a fake error, but it also will dock your Social Credit Score. Take note of thecurrent_user.reputation -= 1PieFed also boasts that it has AI generated text detection. Let's see how that also works in practice:
# LLM Detection if reply.body and '—' in reply.body and user.created_very_recently(): # usage of em-dash is highly suspect. from app.utils import notify_admin # notify adminThis is the default detection, apparently you can use an API endpoint for that detection as well apparently, but it's not documented anywhere but within the code.
Do you want to leave a comment that is just a funny gif? No you don't. Not on PieFed, that will get your comment dropped and lower your Social Credit Score!
if reply_is_just_link_to_gif_reaction(reply.body) and site.enable_gif_reply_rep_decrease: user.reputation -= 1 raise PostReplyValidationError(_('Gif comment ignored'))How does it know its just a gif though?
def reply_is_just_link_to_gif_reaction(body) -> bool: tmp_body = body.strip() if tmp_body.startswith('https://media.tenor.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media1.tenor.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media2.tenor.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media3.tenor.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://i.giphy.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://i.imgflip.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media1.giphy.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media2.giphy.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media3.giphy.com/') or \ tmp_body.startswith('https://media4.giphy.com/'): return True else: return FalseI'm not even sure someone would actually drop a link like this directly into a comment. It's not even taking into consideration whether those URLs are part of a markdown image tag.
As Edie mentioned, if someone has a user blocked, and that user replies to someone, their comment is dropped:
if parent_comment.author.has_blocked_user(user.id) or parent_comment.author.has_blocked_instance(user.instance_id): log_incoming_ap(id, APLOG_CREATE, APLOG_FAILURE, saved_json, 'Parent comment author blocked replier') return NoneFor Example:
- Cowbees comment on lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/41587312/23288779
- Non-existent on piefed.social: https://piefed.social/comment/9647830
(see Edies original comment here)
More from Edie:
Also add if the poster has blocked you! It is exactly as nonsense as you think.
Example:
I made a post in testing@piefed.social from my account testingpiefed@piefed.social, replied to it from my other testingpiefed@piefed.zip account. Since the .social account has blocked the .zip, it doesn't show up on .social, nor on e.g. piefed.europe.pub.
I then made a comment from my lemmy.ml account, and replied to it from my piefed.zip account, and neither .social, nor europe.pub can see my .zip reply, but can see my lemmy.ml comment!
[ Let me add more clarity here: what this feature does is two things. On a local instance, if you block someone who is on your instance, they cannot reply to you. However, this condition is not federated (yet, it would seem), and so, to get around this "issue", the system will drop comments from being stored in the PieFed database IF the blocked user is remote. This means you end up with "ghost comment chains" on remote instances. There is NEW code as of a few weeks ago, that will send an AUTOMATED mod action against blocked remote users to remove the comment. So long as the community is a local PieFed community, it will federate that mod action to the remote server, removing the comment automatically. For PieFed servers, eventually, they would rather federate the users block list (that's fair), but it would seem this code to send automated mod actions to remove comments due to user blocks is going to stay just for the Lemmy Piefed interaction. I don't really understand why the system simply doesn't prevent the rendering of the comment, instead of stopping it from being stored. It knows the user is blocked, it already checks it, it should then just stop rendering the chain of comments for the given user, prevent notifications from those users, etc. ]
But wait! There's More!
- PieFed defederates from Hexbear.net, Lemmygrad.ml, and Lemmy.ml out of the box.
- The "rational discourse" sidebar that you see on the main instance is hard coded into the system.
Moderators of a community can kick you from a community, which unsubscribes you from it, and does not notify you.This has been removed actually, the API endpoint is still there.- I was going to say that Admins had the ability to add a weight to votes coming from other instances, but the videos that showed this are now gone, and as of v1.5.0 they have removed the instance vote weight feature, claiming it was "unused".
All this to say. Piefed is a silly place, and no one should bother using its software.
"Social Credit" eh? Well I guess I did not expect anything more.
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I feel like you're moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you're literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don't want that, so I won't.
Ironic how piefed defederates from lgml and lml by default, yet implements CCP-style and CCP-vibe content and behaviour moderation.
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It is worth noting that almost all of these can be disabled by admins (https://anarchist.nexus/ has them disabled mostly iirc). Piefed has a lot of good features still.
How do you find out what instances have it enabled or disabled tho? And is there a published code of conduct / long-term committments on whether instances will change their minds about that at some point?
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They say that it's a bid to contaminate AI data collection, but it really just reads like more of a cry for attention
I mean, yeah, they call out for attention towards a problem.
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Ostensibly they do it to interfere with AI scraping social media comments, but of course it does nothing but make their comments more difficult to read.
Like, how? It's perfectly readable (even as an ESL can do it without issues, for one). And honestly it's a goof bit of flavour. Like using ß for things like aßhole, although San's choice has the advantage that it is actually part of Ebglish.
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I didn't downvote your comment. But let me argue anyway.
Lots of people flock to PieFed because it is not made by the Lenmy devs who are unpalatably heavy handed in their "moderation" on the ml instance. One would hope this means PieFed offers more freedom to use the software how you like. So it's funny that it's even stricter "moderation" AND NOW ITS HARDCODED so it affects every instance.
So it’s funny that it’s even stricter “moderation” AND NOW ITS HARDCODED so it affects every instance.
Lol, people so afraid of Lemmy devs bowing to the CCP that they migrate to the fediverse option that actually implements CCP societal control features. McCarthysim really did a number on the Amerikkkan brain, dunno if it is impacting people from elsewhere that much. This surely was not in my 2026 Bingo card!
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It was direct character change into "th" which is what they used it for - it wasn't designed to change the meaning of a message, moreover the user wasn't doing it because they are neurodivergent (as you alleged previously). Although someone did note here that, as far as it is, the letter is part of Icelandic - so in that sense it was misguided.
Also, Piefed literally has (rudimentary, perhaps) flags for potential AI accounts that are forwarded onto instance mods if they choose to activate it. Rimu is not likely to bake in any pro-AI sentiment into the system when he's building tools to try and detect it with an eye on banning potential AI-run accounts.
I was using the pro/anti AI as an example but the point is, Piefed already has a history of editorioalizing user discourse secrelty and for the benefit (or whininess) of the dev. I could have used eg.: pro/anti shipping, or pro/anti consumerism instead. The point is the reputation is hard to earn back.
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I was using the pro/anti AI as an example but the point is, Piefed already has a history of editorioalizing user discourse secrelty and for the benefit (or whininess) of the dev. I could have used eg.: pro/anti shipping, or pro/anti consumerism instead. The point is the reputation is hard to earn back.
It's not really editorialising anything here. It doesn't change the meaning of anything.
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Wooow, I didn't know any of this. Thanks for the detailed explanation
I'm happy to help.
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Stupid isn't ableist you 2014 tumblrina.
Sorry, friend, it is.
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