we need more users
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That might be an option. I personally would be fine with that but I've noticed that many / most users get very upset about the notion that posts / communities / users are impermanent ?
Another solution is to simply promote these dead communities - if anyone is interested in warming them up then they should do so. If they're consistent then after a few months ask existing mods to add them as mods, or ask admins to do so if the mods are not responsive.
This approach runs the risk that the person doing the work may not become a mod, but honestly I don't think being a mod should be the objective of creating a community.
Yeah, I just thought about my suggestion more and one thing I think that has given reddit so much staying power is the fact content sticks around so long, I'd imagine many of us here would specifically search in reddit for reviews or help with something and found a like 3 year old thread with the answer.
So... Pruning is probably a bad idea lol.
Unfortunately threadiverse searchability is pretty bad, assumedly because of the nature of the fediverse with content being copied across instances essentially I am sure its a little more difficult for an indexer to properly handle it, not to mention somehow deciding which instance to specifically link to for a certain thread. On top of that, it wouldn't surprise me if all the corpo search engines would deprioritize most fediverse sites out of self preservation
On the "warming them up" that makes sense in theory, but usually if I'm making a rare post it's to engage with a group of people, if I don't see the engagement I'm probably not going to go there again to post whatever it is because what's the point if no one sees it anyway?
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Maybe everyone should be a literal more willing to discuss things than just dog pile on with downvotes.
This place is mighty insufferable and I say that as one insufferable twat.
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I'm a very new user who wanted to give this a chance, here are the friction points from my point of view:
- The onboarding is way too complicated for the average user. A huge part of this is that there are 100 ways to do it. Before you even can start to do anything you have to investigate and then decide on what and how to do it. And even then there is no guidance at all, you are given options and then you can either go and do some research again or try them one by one. You lose at least 90% of the users here already. It doesn't help that fediverse users try to downplay this issue.
- Content discovery sucks ass. My feed stayed mostly the same since I started using Lemmy. I'm presented the same shit over and over again. I'm not sure if it's something that I do wrong, if there is just no content or if that's a side effect of 'no tracking at all' but either way the experience is just bad
- Someone in here already said it, but 'Lemmy' is a horrendous name. That alone was the reason why I didn't bother to try it at all for a long time. Only recent events pushed me towards it but tbh I'm not sure I'll stay.
In short the user experience is abysmal.
I’m presented the same shit over and over again.
Do you sort by active? Use hot or scaled instead.
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I posted in an ADHD community about how I'm fed up with managing my symptoms and I think I finally need to talk to a professional. Someone tried to blame my symptoms on capitalism.
As someone who simply left Reddit because they took away RIF and only stays here because I'm stubborn, Lemmy is the left wing version of Truth Social. A great deal of the users here are the absolute embodiment of the people from Sanfrancisco in South Park huffing each others farts about how progressive they are.
Like, I get it and I do agree in principle on most things with Lemmy which is the only reason I dont leave, but make no mistake THE FEDIVERSE IS AN ECHO CHAMBER.
Lemmy is the left wing version of Truth Social
I'd say a few instances are indeed, but overall I find it ranges from far left to centerish, where as TS ranges from far right.
but make no mistake THE FEDIVERSE IS AN ECHO CHAMBER.
VERSE IS AN ECHO CHAMBER...
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Would it almost be better to prune old communities? I agree it's off-putting to find community for an interest and seeing last activity like a year ago, doesn't make you want to post since it seems inactive.
One thing about how reddit/lemmy works though is people subscribed (assumedly still active on Lemmy elsewhere) might still see that content vs a forum where no activity means very few visit the site.
Pruning is a bad idea imo. Old communities here (like on reddit) can be great resources for solutions to technical problems, for example. And weird one-off communities that have like 2 memes from a decade ago can be really funny when you get linked to them.
Perhaps a notification-type nag, a tab of "communities you used to use but haven't posted to for a while" but with a snappier title, alongside "local" and "all".
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I send my friends memes. They ask "Muad'dib, where do you get these great memes?" I say I get my great memes from Lemmy. They instantly lose interest, because Lemmy is full of tankies and kinphobes
Have you tried telling them inspiration comes from spice? Want some? First one's on me?
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I’m presented the same shit over and over again.
Do you sort by active? Use hot or scaled instead.
Yeah, no idea why Active is still the default.
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The source data shows that while active users are down, the number of posts and comments are near all-time highs. While you need new users to help counteract churn, I think the higher post/comments count points to what I think a lot of people feel here: that quality seems to keep getting better and better.
Regarding how to bring more people in, I personally like how different lemmy servers have slightly different characteristics but each seems to appeal to larger groups. I see a future where there’s probably a small-ish number of large servers that cover broad groups of people.
that quality seems to keep getting better and better
It doesn't. It's the same people who keep posting the same lame memes as always.
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We have to earn it if we want it. Oftentimes someone will mention some event or trend or something that happened and being only on the Threadiverse, not also Facebook or Instagram or LinkedIn or X or Bluesky or even Reddit I have no idea what they are talking about - it's not good to be too isolated.
So... bring on the downvoting I suppose, because I started checking some of those places, including Reddit. Not like daily but not never either. That's where the content is, so where else can I go to get at that?
It is so easy to say that "something should happen". It's much harder to MAKE that thing actually happen.
Maybe I should admit defeat and go back to reddit.. Perhaps everyone is supposed to be slaves to the shareholders
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Is this like all Lemmy everywhere or just a selection of large instances? Does it account for people that host their own instances and come into the larger spaces to interact? I feel like there's context missing before jumping to conclusions.
Should be most of the Lemmy instances, but it's missing the 2k monthly active users on PieFed.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Maybe I should admit that I was stubborn, and just go back to reddit like a good slave..
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Maybe I should admit that I was stubborn, and just go back to reddit like a good slave..
Absolutely not
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Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy
You know, there was a great blog recently that wrote about this, that now is the perfect time to popularize the fediverse. That's because as tensions with the US are rising, more people in europe are looking for alternative internet platforms to communicate over. So the fediverse can jump in here and offer itself as an alternative.
When I look at some generic instance's unfiltered feed all I see is posts about USA/Trump. I can see how this might deter a lot of Europeans who are looking for alternatives to Reddit.
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I’m presented the same shit over and over again.
Do you sort by active? Use hot or scaled instead.
Yeah, it was sorted by active. Changed it to hot, let's see how that goes. Thanks for the hint.
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Maybe I should admit that I was stubborn, and just go back to reddit like a good slave..
Your comment is like one of those "I love apples" and someone responding "SO YOU HATE BANANAS"
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Yeah, it was sorted by active. Changed it to hot, let's see how that goes. Thanks for the hint.
I usually switch sorting options when I start seeing a lot of the same stuff, or when I get to the point where the furry shit starts to appear. Keeps things somewhat fresh most days.
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This is the central reason I choose not to engage with most posts. It's a toss up whether I'm talking to a rational human being or I happened to walk into the side of the antinatalist hyper accelerationist ML willing to die to defend the most obscure take about consent or something.
I would love a more healthy, less terminally online discourse on Lemmy.
100% agree. I tend to get my political comments downvoted a lot because I keep saying silly things like "capitalism and communism are both utopias that break due to human greed" or "anarchism won't solve the issue of people like Trump grabbing power".
Lots of weird people loving the power of magical words around here.
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I posted in an ADHD community about how I'm fed up with managing my symptoms and I think I finally need to talk to a professional. Someone tried to blame my symptoms on capitalism.
As someone who simply left Reddit because they took away RIF and only stays here because I'm stubborn, Lemmy is the left wing version of Truth Social. A great deal of the users here are the absolute embodiment of the people from Sanfrancisco in South Park huffing each others farts about how progressive they are.
Like, I get it and I do agree in principle on most things with Lemmy which is the only reason I dont leave, but make no mistake THE FEDIVERSE IS AN ECHO CHAMBER.
I really don't mind that the fediverse is an echo chamber. I'm in no way interessted in having conversations with fascists.
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I do have the idea of making an app it makes an account for one instance and uses that "log in with Google/apple id". Then people can learn later that you you can join other instances or log in via web browser.
The server can be simple lemmy or mastodon server and the app can just be variant of Voyager or mastodon app. Someone need to get rid of copyright material then hard code an instance.
I would do it myself but I can't get an AI to code apps
The other option is to have an app that browser based
I would do it myself but I can’t get an AI to code apps
Ask the app devs. They know how to easily set a default. There can still be an option to change the account and server deep down in a menu.
Their win is that if that modified app becomes popular it essentially still is their app and they will attract new developers and support.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall
I don't consider this a given. E.g. your new users might all be dingleberries, or they might attract more bots. It also depends on your definition of quality. I quite like recognizing and conversing with regulars that I know from lemmy. This is something you lose with a larger userbase.
Here's another way a high monthly active user count doesn't necessarily lead to a quality platform. Suppose most users post once a month. Conversations will largely be dominated by posts from folks who have no real connection with each other. Any meaningful conversation is drowned in an ocean of seagulls going "have my updoot, kind sir" and "this!". Higher user count, lower quality.
Aside from that, vanity metrics like bare user count typically don't tell you whether you have a sustainable non-ad based platform. You don't need users, you need users willing to donate for the operation (to instance admins) and maintenance (to the devs) of the platform. And I feel (0 data to back this up) like users are more likely to be donating users if they feel like they know the operators and devs personally.
I'm not saying the idea of getting more users is bad, I'm just saying its goodness is very far from established.
