we need more users
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I'm a very new user who wanted to give this a chance, here are the friction points from my point of view:
- The onboarding is way too complicated for the average user. A huge part of this is that there are 100 ways to do it. Before you even can start to do anything you have to investigate and then decide on what and how to do it. And even then there is no guidance at all, you are given options and then you can either go and do some research again or try them one by one. You lose at least 90% of the users here already. It doesn't help that fediverse users try to downplay this issue.
- Content discovery sucks ass. My feed stayed mostly the same since I started using Lemmy. I'm presented the same shit over and over again. I'm not sure if it's something that I do wrong, if there is just no content or if that's a side effect of 'no tracking at all' but either way the experience is just bad
- Someone in here already said it, but 'Lemmy' is a horrendous name. That alone was the reason why I didn't bother to try it at all for a long time. Only recent events pushed me towards it but tbh I'm not sure I'll stay.
In short the user experience is abysmal.
Have you considered trying out Piefed? Piefed has custom feed options currently.
The onboarding is way too complicated for the average user. A huge part of this is that there are 100 ways to do it. Before you even can start to do anything you have to investigate and then decide on what and how to do it. And even then there is no guidance at all, you are given options and then you can either go and do some research again or try them one by one. You lose at least 90% of the users here already. It doesn’t help that fediverse users try to downplay this issue.
I don't really know how you make the onboarding, the instance selection easier at this point. What do you propose?
What site did you use when you found lemmy?
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Just wait for Reddit to finally ban porn and we’ll have more users than we know what to do with
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Just wait for Reddit to finally ban porn and we’ll have more users than we know what to do with
you know what? that might be it!
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too complicated
This is an Us problem. Download jerboa. Create an account on world. Done. Simple as Reddit. We make it complicated by explaining federation, options, different instances, etc. None of that matters to the masses.
I followed the directions my instance of choice had posted, also use jerboa. It was a few steps, but the directions given were simple. It didn't take me long at all to sign up.
I still don't fully understand federation, but I knew even less when I began here a few years ago. I do like using jerboa
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Posted as a reply because this will certainly upset many but...
On the instance wars:
I constantly see nonsense about the horrors of the '.ML' instance, and 'hexbear', primarily from 'Lemmy.world' users, but I have never once actually come across these horrors.
Hexbear is just a troll instance, ala 'cumtown'.
To an outside observer, '.world' users seem to be US propagandists intent on wrecking the platform. "Tankies this, cowbee that", when I've never seen a cowbee post that wasn't entirely reasonable.
And the vast majority of 'tankies' are just people who criticise the US rightfully while not sharing the same breathe to criticize China.
Ngl, fuck Russia, the US and Russia are the greatest evils. China is not anywhere near the same level. You can praise elements of a foreign state without being a 'tankie'.It's the same thought terminating cliche cult bullshit that all right wingers do. And it seems to come from Americans being upset their myopic views aren't babied by people who literally specifically went to an instance to avoid them?
Idk I'm not a user of any of the three, but I've only ever had an issue with lemmy.world users in the past, as a UK citizen who is far from a tankie.
Well, you wouldn't come across hexbear or lemmygrad on pawb.social because it looks like your instance is defederated from them.
To an outside observer, ‘.world’ users seem to be US propagandists intent on wrecking the platform. “Tankies this, cowbee that”, when I’ve never seen a cowbee post that wasn’t entirely reasonable.
Cowbee definitely seems in a sense like a very civil apologist (although with all the trappings of contemporary campism and tankiesm) - and not the worst example by any means, but for every Cowbee there's a BrainInABox type user.
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i find out alot of people i blocked are the likely posters, yea thats probably why im seeing less and less posts now.
I'm not talking about people I block (I am not exposed enough and don't suffer enough harassment so I don't block almost anyone)... I'm talking about about mods of the instancr that hosts people I care about suddenly blocking instance that hosts my account - not because anything we did but because they didn't like that mods of my instance didn't block another instance that has some weird (e.g. transfobic) content. I follow a friend and suddenly we are out of contact because some entirely unrelated drama. And that's how fediverse works by design.
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Posted as a reply because this will certainly upset many but...
On the instance wars:
I constantly see nonsense about the horrors of the '.ML' instance, and 'hexbear', primarily from 'Lemmy.world' users, but I have never once actually come across these horrors.
Hexbear is just a troll instance, ala 'cumtown'.
To an outside observer, '.world' users seem to be US propagandists intent on wrecking the platform. "Tankies this, cowbee that", when I've never seen a cowbee post that wasn't entirely reasonable.
And the vast majority of 'tankies' are just people who criticise the US rightfully while not sharing the same breathe to criticize China.
Ngl, fuck Russia, the US and Russia are the greatest evils. China is not anywhere near the same level. You can praise elements of a foreign state without being a 'tankie'.It's the same thought terminating cliche cult bullshit that all right wingers do. And it seems to come from Americans being upset their myopic views aren't babied by people who literally specifically went to an instance to avoid them?
Idk I'm not a user of any of the three, but I've only ever had an issue with lemmy.world users in the past, as a UK citizen who is far from a tankie.
The reason why you haven't seen these horrors is because to you they just look like others like you.
Regardless if you agree with this post, for example, it's propaganda, no different than the american apologists you can accurately identify, the bible thumpling catholics educating the uncivilized people that hadn't heard the healing words of our lord and saviour jesus christ or those who believe everything should be privatized/converted into a free market due to orthodox economic doctrine.
It is propaganda because it operates under the framework that someone who disagrees with a positive association must have not understood a specific sacred text or heard a sacred doctrine, or if they have they must be morally defficient, leaving no room for debate whatsoever.
It's extremely difficult to identify propaganda that caters to our own emotional needs and positive associations.
One of the easiest ways to spot propaganda is the "no room for questioning, let alone disagreeing" aspect. In healthy societies with healthy ideologies there is a legitimate space for disagreement and debate. If there wasn't, power would always remain in the same hands which is one of the aspects most criticize about both capitalism and communism.
And believe it or not, there is more to the world than the right-left west-east dychotomies.
If you look at history, similar ideologigal schisms have happened time and time again in times of shifts in the balance of power, such as when the printing press was invented and the the catholic - lutheran division that came from it. or during the decadence and later fall of the roman republic with the equestrials vs patricians (which originally shared ideological vision).
These largescale violent power struggles always end up boiling down to "you're either with us or against us" which in my opinion is the true poison.
Feel free to disqualify or label me now and have a nice day.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Look, this is my filter list:
Because i don't want to deal with depressing politics every day in my off time.
And this is what i still see:
Maybe a tagging system would help?
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Let's stop working on "Lemmy app" , "mbin app", "PieFed app", "Mastodon app" and just embrace ActivityPub as the single API.
phone apps can't use activity pub as that's a server protocol so if you want a good mobile interface you generally speaking need a rest-y api that an application can query. yes, lemmy and piefed both feature PWA frontends that can be installed to your homescreen, however on older phones this can be an extremely suboptimal experience as PWAs tend to require more RAM than native apps.
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Look, this is my filter list:
Because i don't want to deal with depressing politics every day in my off time.
And this is what i still see:
Maybe a tagging system would help?
Piefed has built in keyword filters for posts. You can move to piefed.zip if you want more options here.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
I'll do my best! Luckily, Lemmy still has a healthy community though
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Piefed has built in keyword filters for posts. You can move to piefed.zip if you want more options here.
Thanks. But that's one instance. I think this needs a lemmyverse implementation.
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Thanks. But that's one instance. I think this needs a lemmyverse implementation.
Piefed isn't an instance, it's an alternative software that reads Lemmy.
Piefed.social is the flagship instance, comparable to lemmy.ml.
Lemmy.zip made their own Piefed.
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Well, you wouldn't come across hexbear or lemmygrad on pawb.social because it looks like your instance is defederated from them.
To an outside observer, ‘.world’ users seem to be US propagandists intent on wrecking the platform. “Tankies this, cowbee that”, when I’ve never seen a cowbee post that wasn’t entirely reasonable.
Cowbee definitely seems in a sense like a very civil apologist (although with all the trappings of contemporary campism and tankiesm) - and not the worst example by any means, but for every Cowbee there's a BrainInABox type user.
Lol I like BrainInABox better, and I completely disagree with their worldview.
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Lol I like BrainInABox better, and I completely disagree with their worldview.
All they do, quite literally, is hurl abuse.
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I definitely do not find graffiti cool. It's illegal and antisocial behavior. The art can be cool of course (although it very rarely is in my experience), but the illegal act is not.
The "Workers over billionaires" sticker advocating for workers right, sits on the post of a grocery cart corral. I smile everytime I see it. I'm thankful for who ever stuck it there, and even cooler, it's not been scrubbed off after a full year.
You can cry rules/laws if you want, but where I am, the powers at large are not bound by any law, so why must I be bound to something so arbitrary? Why should we not advocate for ourselves in anyway possible?
Do you understand how hopeful it is to see graffiti/stickers in support of your values out in the wild? I was filled with hope when I first saw that sticker, for we are not alone
It feels really arrogant to call these acts antisocial behavior. It's not
There's also plenty of community boards around one could post a sticker to with a thumb tack, and it breaks no rule. It's free for use.
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Maybe I'm insensitive or just foolish but to me there's comedy in that.
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Maybe I'm insensitive or just foolish but to me there's comedy in that.
Oh I agree, it's inherently absurd - and I'm surprised they haven't been banned from basically everywhere else outside of the trio instances (they have been banned from a lot of instances) - but to a lot of people the main issue ignoring Cowbees apologism is the hostility they encounter on there.
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Oh I agree, it's inherently absurd - and I'm surprised they haven't been banned from basically everywhere else outside of the trio instances (they have been banned from a lot of instances) - but to a lot of people the main issue ignoring Cowbees apologism is the hostility they encounter on there.
Well I guess you're right and there is a lot of hostility towards certain thoughts in most instances. Everyone holds something sacred I guess.
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I've been here a few years now and I can say Lemmy's got issues. You can't come on here and have a good time anymore when all it's about is trump trump trump and Linux Linux Linux it gets old. I wanna escape from reality a bit sometimes and there's few areas to subscribe to that gives any joy anymore.
I think part (though not all) of the issue is discoverability. There's other communities where this isn't as prevalent, but a) they're not always easy to find, and b) for this as well as other reasons, they might not be super active (if people don't know it exists, who's posting?)
I get around the first bit by trawling All New once and a while. One feature I will say I liked on reddit was the random community function. But while I like that it's a smaller userbase here for some reasons, it does mean less diversity of interests.
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