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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

    edit: source for the graph

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    wren@lemmy.today
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    #372

    I'm doing my part. I can't stop making communities and having debates.

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    • J jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works

      Would it almost be better to prune old communities? I agree it's off-putting to find community for an interest and seeing last activity like a year ago, doesn't make you want to post since it seems inactive.

      One thing about how reddit/lemmy works though is people subscribed (assumedly still active on Lemmy elsewhere) might still see that content vs a forum where no activity means very few visit the site.

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      die4ever@retrolemmy.com
      wrote last edited by die4ever@retrolemmy.com
      #373

      I kind of don't like the idea of deleting posts.

      Maybe we should put a pinned post at the top of each dead community that just says "go here instead"

      Like if there's a dead community for a game, there could be a pinned post that directs you to a more general community like for the genre

      Like we could do !TheWalkingDeadGame@retrolemmy.com directing to !adventuregames@retrolemmy.com

      EDIT: https://retrolemmy.com/post/31846510

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      • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip

        Active is basically like old forum logic, where new comments will bump it up back to the top. Scaled is my go to view first as it does a pretty good job balancing out communities of widely different sizes, so smaller communities that you're subbed to have a chance of having their post be seen if it's new and larger in upvoter count.

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        die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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        Scaled is great for Subscribed, but I don't like Scaled+All

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        • S Skavau

          I don't think he controls join.lemmy.org. Unless I am completely wrong.

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          industrystandard@lemmy.world
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          I checked the contact section and it uses the .ml support account so maybe he does

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          • Seth TaylorS Seth Taylor

            Tell your musician friends to find me here:

            https://lemmy.world/c/IndepthIndie

            Actually, you know what? I'll give a free guitar lesson to the first 10 people to make a post in that group.

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            gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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            Aww man i would really like that guitar lessons! But i don't have enough knowledge/context to post in that community (yet) 😛

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            • Fair FairyS Fair Fairy

              Can someone vibecode a self hosted tool that reposts reddit top rated content to Lemmy?
              Like people that are interested could just run that self hosted service for subreddit they are interested in and it would post automatically into lemmy communities .

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              gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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              i do repost manually sometimes but it's not enough. we need lively discussion more importantly that posts, i'd say.

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              • KoarnineK Koarnine

                After trying to convert a friend who heavily uses reddit, multiple times, I recommended him again the other day to leave the hellsite (reddit).

                I didn't recommend Lemmy but have a while back.

                He himself specifically brought up that he 'didn't vibe with Lemmy as much as reddit' and that he believes he would 'miss stories he would otherwise have liked to see' by switching to Lemmy.

                Reddit has kept him more up to date than not over the past year - he believes had he not been using reddit he wouldn't have found out about [specific events in iran] as early as he did.

                The other main pain point I've encountered is the small and niche community problem, which I'm sure we are all aware of - certain information feels like it can only be found on such small subreddits.

                Therefore I have two suggestions:

                • create a Lemmy instance that mirrors reddit, rather than have bots post reddit posts onto main Lemmy instances, create an instance that mirrors specific subreddits on request, including the comments of their posts, and allows Lemmy users to comment and reply back, where those comments are also propagated to reddit so that replies and discussion are mirrored also.

                This would struggle due to reddit API and compute power requirements but the subreddits on request and a specific instance for these posts would eliminate the bot spam problem from earlier attempts at the same thing.

                • potentially allow the user to associate their reddit account with the instance so comments etc can proliferate without bot recognition.

                The other suggestion would be:

                • set up trackers for major (and newly popular) subreddits, tag posts by priority, and use this set of posts to determine what content and types of content are missing, but don't just automatically post everything as the spam problem gets out of hand.

                Finally, my biggest gripe with my Lemmy use is the constant instance wars.

                I have had my comments removed for being rightfully critical of Israel by lemmy.world mods. They appear intent on recreating the problems of reddit here.

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                #378

                They're websites, one can use two websites. Such a weird take.

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                • I industrystandard@lemmy.world

                  I checked the contact section and it uses the .ml support account so maybe he does

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                  That just might be where they set up for support questions.

                  That would mean that lemmy.ml chose to remove lemmy.world from there, which I would think would upset lemmy.world mods.

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                    I think you would be surprised. Obviously UK (if you include it here) would do some heavy lifting for English-language users in Europe using Reddit, a massive chunk of Europe can communicate perfectly well in English on social media platforms and do - and you wouldn't know they aren't American or Anglo unless a topic came up where they would say it, or if you asked them.

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                    hcsothrowaway@lemmy.world
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                    To the best of my recollection the last I've seen bits of traffic data here and there, it's large, but not large in comparison to the US and India.

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                    • I industrystandard@lemmy.world

                      I thought lemmynsfw hid their content for unregistered users as well so not really

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                      sturgist@lemmy.ca
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                      This is getting too analytical for what was intended as a joke

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                      • H hcsothrowaway@lemmy.world

                        To the best of my recollection the last I've seen bits of traffic data here and there, it's large, but not large in comparison to the US and India.

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                        Skavau
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                        Where does Reddit share data on country of origin for its users?

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                        • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                          Scaled is great for Subscribed, but I don't like Scaled+All

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                          mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip
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                          Ah true, I generally avoid all until I'm out of subscribed content or just looking for new communities

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                          • idunnololzI idunnololz

                            But ActivityPud is very barebones so you will need to implement a lot of features. In doing so you are effectively creating a new Lemmy.

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                            In doing so you are effectively creating a new Lemmy

                            Indeed, I am. But to be perfectly honest, I'm doing a lot less work that I original thought in the server side, and when I get to start working on Mastodon compatibility, I will probably just change the internal implementation of mastodon's js sdk.

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                            • S Skavau

                              Where does Reddit share data on country of origin for its users?

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                              To moderators. I want to say even to regular users if your comment/post gets enough traction on New Reddit, i.e. hundreds or thousands of views.

                              Other, similar websites also show such data to those in privileged positions as well. If they're pretty sure you're not a bot, they give it freely. Whatever tier above "average user" and especially "a person interested in growing the website out of self-interest" a given website has, it'll probably be available. I'm sure you can imagine a half dozen that are on the money.

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                              • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip

                                Ah true, I generally avoid all until I'm out of subscribed content or just looking for new communities

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                                Yeah I don't use All often

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                                • sturgist@lemmy.caS sturgist@lemmy.ca

                                  This is getting too analytical for what was intended as a joke

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                                  industrystandard@lemmy.world
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                                  For science

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                                  • H hcsothrowaway@lemmy.world

                                    To moderators. I want to say even to regular users if your comment/post gets enough traction on New Reddit, i.e. hundreds or thousands of views.

                                    Other, similar websites also show such data to those in privileged positions as well. If they're pretty sure you're not a bot, they give it freely. Whatever tier above "average user" and especially "a person interested in growing the website out of self-interest" a given website has, it'll probably be available. I'm sure you can imagine a half dozen that are on the money.

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                                    Skavau
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                                    I meant at scale. Yeah I can see who replies to my individual comments or posts based on their country (or VPN) but that doesn't tell the whole story.

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                                    • OpenStarsO OpenStars

                                      But there's also the cost of having to switch to consider. If e.g. making an account were difficult, then is the quality still worthwhile in that case?

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                                      tropicaldingdong@lemmy.world
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                                      No. It's not. That would be hyper destructive to any chances the fediverse has of surviving.

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                                      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                        There is a difference between Mastodon and Lemmy because Mastodon is user-centric and Lemmy is content-centric. I wrote about this here

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                                        My point is that you can have a "content-centric" application separate from the "user-centric" application, but they are just different ways to represent and interact with the data in the social graph and as such they don't need separate APIs.

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                                        • S Skavau

                                          That just might be where they set up for support questions.

                                          That would mean that lemmy.ml chose to remove lemmy.world from there, which I would think would upset lemmy.world mods.

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                                          industrystandard@lemmy.world
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                                          I believe they publicly stated they removed .world from it to prevent centralization because everyone was going to a single instance, thus defeating the fediverse purpose. But this is all from memory and I might be wrong

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