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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

    edit: source for the graph

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    wrote last edited by sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    #396

    While (I think) I totally understand what you are saying here...

    ... Yeah I'm honestly fine with lemmy just being more or less a tiny cluster of neo forums.

    I like the cozy.

    At the same time... from I guess a less selfish perspective... yeah, this is the exact time an alternative to Reddit and other corpo social media needs to be popularized.

    But, somewhat alleviating myself from that... I don't really know anybody that I could 'word of mouth' spread lemmy to, that I haven't already.

    And I'm too crippled to put stickers on really anything outside my own apartment, lol.

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    • X xanthobilly@lemmy.world

      Digg? Now with AI? That Digg? You mean the Digg that lost all its users to Reddit in the first place? Not happening.

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      #397

      ... Maybe SomethingAwful will somehow make a comback rofl.

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      • rglullis@communick.newsR rglullis@communick.news

        My point is that you can have a "content-centric" application separate from the "user-centric" application, but they are just different ways to represent and interact with the data in the social graph and as such they don't need separate APIs.

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        gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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        yeah, i think embedding Lemmy content into Mastodon is trivial, because you just show the post. But the other way around, embedding Mastodon posts into Lemmy could be a bit more tricky, because in what community do you show the post? There could be a virtual community for each Mastodon server, like when you post something on mastodon.de, then it's displayed on the lemmy community /c/all@mastodon.de

        What do you think of this?

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        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

          i do repost manually sometimes but it's not enough. we need lively discussion more importantly that posts, i'd say.

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          #399

          Well ya. But that requires all of us mentioning lemmy on Reddit and other platforms.

          Those fucking reddit owners are sitting quiet now but comes election time they gonna silence dissent

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          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

            I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

            the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

            So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

            edit: source for the graph

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            thoro@lemmy.ml
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            I've always been more of a lurker/commenter than a poster, but posters are what Lemmy needs if we want more users to come. People need to want to come to Lemmy for content.

            In my experience, the best poster on the platform is the person making the comics on /c/unix_surrealism, in that sometimes I find myself wanting to check the comm to see if there is anything new.

            And this will be disagreed with heavily, but the second best posters are the memers at Hexbear. I just think they make the funniest leftist memes (so political content, sorry people who are tired of politics), and they're the only instance that actually has a site culture, with their own in-jokes and history/lore.

            When Reddit was young, that was a big part of it: Posts that went viral among the community and became in-jokes/lore. Comment chains (as much as I grew to hate them). And original ideas for content (AMA, TIL, AITA, etc.). There was a kind of culture to the site (that's mostly been diluted now).

            That said. I like Lemmy perfectly fine at the size it is, even if it doesn't fully replace Reddit. Though it's concerning to see it declining.

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            • OpenStarsO OpenStars

              Yeah, and at least Reddit sent notifications to tell people that their content was removed. Also there's a modmail allowing people to ask questions. Also a post was merely removed from the community stream, but allowing discussions in it to continue including answers as to why it was removed, rather than deleted entirely and for all eternity, destroying all of the conversations that had taken place therein, even between users unrelated to the person posting that supposedly triggered the removal, i.e. innocent bystanders.

              Lemmy has turned out to be just as if not more authoritarian than Reddit - not to the instance admins tbf but to the individual users. And moreover, the amount of such seems to mainly increase over time, e.g. mod names are now obscured in the modmail even if you go looking into it, and soon Lemmy.ml will become baked into the codebase as the source of new communities, giving it veto power if it wants a new instance to not sign up to anything defederated from lemmy.ml. Centralized, authoritarian control is not what most of us signed up for when attempting to flee Reddit.

              Fortunately PieFed is fighting that trend mightily, e.g. allowing democratization of moderation features. Though even PieFed does not send a notification when someone is banned or their content removed (in this case though likely just low priority as it is still being developed, at a much quicker pace than Lemmy, rather than with lemmy.ml being an actual choice to do things a certain way).

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              buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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              #401

              I recently noticed that when a user gets banned, all of their posts and associated threads also get removed but with no notice.

              I've also seen entire discussions removed because they included some heated words, despite also including useful discussion or even one sided rebuttals. While I'm under no illusion that things can get solved here, it's annoying to see shit get deleted just because someone got upset. Even if there isn't anything useful in comments, it breaks up the discussion because any replies have lost context.

              IMO if it's a disruptive user, ban them, but leave the evidence of their disruption up, unless it was spam or the kind of illegal shit that can get anyone who sees it in trouble.

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              • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                yeah, i think embedding Lemmy content into Mastodon is trivial, because you just show the post. But the other way around, embedding Mastodon posts into Lemmy could be a bit more tricky, because in what community do you show the post? There could be a virtual community for each Mastodon server, like when you post something on mastodon.de, then it's displayed on the lemmy community /c/all@mastodon.de

                What do you think of this?

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                rglullis@communick.news
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                In ActivityPub terms, there is no such thing as a "Mastodon posts" or "Lemmy communities". You just have "authors" and "audiences". In effect, it would mean that you emulate a "post to a community" by writting a post with the community as the "audience", and anyone that follows the actor that represents the group (equivalent to the Lemmy Community) would find the posts.

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                • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                  ehh, there's spaces where adding stickers (that advocate for public-benefit, non-commercial stuff) is considered socially acceptable, such as in certain university buildings, pubs/bars, the back of your own laptop, ...

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                  sortekanin@feddit.dk
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                  Alright alright, definitely in those contexts there is no problem, of course.

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                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                    edit: source for the graph

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                    sine_fine_belli@lemmy.world
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                    #404

                    I agree! There is not enough people here

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                    • H hyaline_cat@lemmy.world

                      Goes to 'All --> New,' here we go again...

                      Come on everyone, let's do our part. The only way to get less doom and gloom on the main page is to engage with the stuff you want early. Like it was mentioned by others, that primarily means comments not just upvotes

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                      sine_fine_belli@lemmy.world
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                      #405

                      Yeah, same here. Let’s try to post more fun content on here

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                      • mooglemaestro@lemmy.zipM mooglemaestro@lemmy.zip

                        Hot take: the biggest issue is actually ever entering a community and seeing zero comments. Most reddit addiction stems from wanting to read comments, so I think people should add a comment to something if they're upvoting and they see that the thread has zero comments.

                        Nothing eliminates enthusiasm like seeing 0 comments on every post in a community, especially if that community is driven by bots.

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                        sine_fine_belli@lemmy.world
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                        #406

                        Yeah, same here honestly. Well said, lemmy needs more people here

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                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                          I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                          the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                          So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                          edit: source for the graph

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                          krauerking@lemy.lol
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                          Every person that keeps saying it's good that there is no one here sounds like scrooge in my head going,
                          "Good, all to decrease the surplus population"

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                          • rglullis@communick.newsR rglullis@communick.news

                            In ActivityPub terms, there is no such thing as a "Mastodon posts" or "Lemmy communities". You just have "authors" and "audiences". In effect, it would mean that you emulate a "post to a community" by writting a post with the community as the "audience", and anyone that follows the actor that represents the group (equivalent to the Lemmy Community) would find the posts.

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                            gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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                            so you are saying that each author should represent their own community that they populate with posts each time they post something

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                            • R realitista@lemmus.org

                              To the user mines!

                              I actually don't mind a smaller community of more intelligent people. Too much riff raff and the quality degrades.

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                              sine_fine_belli@lemmy.world
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                              #409

                              I respectfully disagree with your opinion, there is not enough people here

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                              • T thetesthuman@feddit.org

                                Im new here and the part you talk about feels the same as reddit at least here I feel like im not supporting that clusterfuck by being an advertisement target.

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                                krauerking@lemy.lol
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                                #410

                                Yeah even reddit is fucked these days.

                                By the way note there is not always an easy way to find communities naturally so I would recommend thinking of some key words and searching for communities with them to fill in some niches

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                                • Z ziltoid1991@lemmy.world

                                  Okay, now let's see Piefed and mbin users!

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                                  lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                  If I had a nickel for each time someone reminds me that mbin exists, I'd have two nickels, which is not much but it is weird that it's happened twice.

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                                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                                    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                                    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                                    edit: source for the graph

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                                    tangledhyphae@lemmy.world
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                                    #412

                                    This site is seemingly for hardcore left-leaning people. Center and right wing are censored, banned, without violating rules, just like reddit mods. So it's no wonder people are leaving.

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                                    • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                                      Scaled is great for Subscribed, but I don't like Scaled+All

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                                      lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                      Scaled+All is hell on earth, but to be be fair it's not its fault. It's just... what Scaled is there to do. Thus works wonders in Subscribed, I'd argue it even works wonder on local unless you specifically need newest local-relevant content (eg.: local news).

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                                      • R reksas@sopuli.xyz

                                        Someone in here already said it, but ‘Lemmy’ is a horrendous name. That alone was the reason why I didn’t bother to try it at all for a long time. Only recent events pushed me towards it but tbh I’m not sure I’ll stay.

                                        You can say that again.
                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy

                                        Really muddles up the search results about lemmy.

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                                        lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                        Names are a discrete and contested domain and honestly I don't see how Lemmy being also a person is a hindrance. Coke is also a drug yet no one complains, certainly not the big corpo.

                                        Protip: you can search for more than one word on search providers. Something like "lemmy social" or "lemmy server" for example.

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                                        • Fair FairyS Fair Fairy

                                          Well ya. But that requires all of us mentioning lemmy on Reddit and other platforms.

                                          Those fucking reddit owners are sitting quiet now but comes election time they gonna silence dissent

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                                          lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                                          #415

                                          Last I checked people who mention Lemmy still get shadowbanned on Reddit? if so, mentioning thigs doesn't help.

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