we need more users
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The culture wars have reached the fediverse, and it's making me less happy to be here. I don't want to hang out in places where people use slurs and insults, even if they're not aimed at me. I'm seeing more casual misogyny/misandry, more casual use of the r**** slur, more perfectionist gatekeeping, more assumptions, and just less good-faith comments in general.
I'd advertise, but I'm starting to look for an alternative to lemmy.
pretty much. i have been here for over two years. in the past few months it's become more and more frustrating and i'm getting harassed/attacked/banned, always from bad faith actors that whose grade school reasoning is 'i know you are but what am i?!' type justifications. they only reply to call you names and tell you how wrong you are and how right they are.
it's the same idiots who ruined reddit who can't tolerate anyone who thinks differently than them and then screech about how tolerate and open minded they are and if anyone disagrees with them the are a stupid facist bigot.
people forget, but redditque was a think people actaully practiced and made reddit a really cool place. people would argue, but they generally didn't ban/block/harass each other. nobody in first decade of reddit went around downvoting/reporting all my posts. but that's just how shit is now on the internet too many unwell nutjobs who want to punish people who type words they don't like.
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…I am drifting away from Lemmy myself.
Political communities are echo chambers like Reddit, in a different color. Discussing tech or helping others is better, but still feels like talking in circles.
Wholesome subs like /c/SuperBowl are sublime, but I mostly lurk there.
Information hygiene is awful. Big subs upvote tabloids and Tweets to the sky, as long as they align with their beliefs. I just saw a discussion on a not-obviously AI generated photo with the community sentiment of “misinformation? Who cares. It’s a pro-lefty meme, so spread it.”
Anyway, all this scrolling and impulse commenting eats time. I get the same feeling of shouting into a black hole that I get on corporate social media.
Much of this is my fault, though.
I have several niches I intend to make original posts for, but never do.
It’s somewhere in the giant pile of my IRL executive dysfunction :’(
why beat yourself up. you know good content won't be rewarded or seen.
only the ragebait. the internet is not information driven anymore, it's dopmine driven.
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I think part of the issue is new users not understanding or feeling comfortable with the fediverse (myself included a while ago). Even after searching for a bit and looking it up I can barely get how it works, but there's really no guide with the common terms anywhere, how to get started, the difference between platforms and what they have in common etc.
The benefits are the first thing you hear about, but they seem more like jargon terms than actually anything functional.Reddit has better accessibility and user retainment, alongside with a library of old posts that are good for searching some niche stuff up.
For example, if I were to get a friend into lemmy, I'm not really sure how I can explain it to them, or where to start other than the copy paste "decentralized" "federated" stuff. It doesn't really answer stuff like who moderates it, develops it, owns it, or what's the difference between lemmy, piefed mbin, how do they interact with each other.
I believe that an introductory "oficial" post on the front of each platform in layman's terms would be great to get new users to stay.just tell them it's like when people had their won websites.
except now they their own reddits.
but i guess if they are under 30 they may not understand what any of that means, since people haveing websites stopped being a thing 10+ years ago.
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Ok, so from a user's perspective, where would Mastodon content appear in your Lemmy feed?
You do understand that I am describing a whole different client, right?
There is no "Lemmy Feed", just "posts sent from individuals to a group" vs "posts sent from individuals that are broadcasting without any specific audience"
How this presentation layer would work would be entirely up to the developer/user. I can envision people that might prefer to have a separate threaded-view for group posts like we have in most forum sites, but I can also envision people that will prefer each post appearing in a "feed", like what Facebook does for groups. I can also envison such an application providing a "image gallery" for people tthat want to see only pictures, like Vernissage does.
My point is, it would be completely up to the user how to see the data.
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I’m feeling very burnt out. Lemmy is kinda an endless stream of political doom and gloom. For context, I’m in the US and already stressed out by our political situation. But I don’t come here to see more doom and gloom. It’s getting to the point where I think I need to get off for my mental health.
Then there are all the people who if you don’t agree exactly with their opinion they downvote you to hell. You have left leaning politics but not my flavor of left? Downvote! You hate enshitification and big tech privacy practices, but you use a single piece of software that isn’t FOSS? Downvote!
It’s so exhausting. I absolutely hate Reddit but I miss going on there and just laughing at how someone’s TV is too high. I miss laughing at how some restaurant serves food of shovels instead of plates.
And that’s not even getting into the lack of content. That part I understand requires users like myself to be as active as possible. But it’s hard being active when I feel so burnt out from the other stuff here.
Tbh, idk if these issues are specific to Lemmy or just the internet as a whole. I can only speak to the slice of the internet I find myself in. But I just wanna see people that are excited about things: photography, 3d printing, weird keyboards, etc. And that exists here, but it’s drowned out by all the doom and gloom.
i'm sick of how awful and ignorant the vast majority of comments here are. and how they have to conflated outlandish beliefs with being morally correct.
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why beat yourself up. you know good content won't be rewarded or seen.
only the ragebait. the internet is not information driven anymore, it's dopmine driven.
I have some posts/interests that I think would get some visibility. In my case, it really is executive dysfunction, heh.
Not that you're wrong. And, unfortunately, its a ludicrously profitable highway outside of the Fediverse.
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I have some posts/interests that I think would get some visibility. In my case, it really is executive dysfunction, heh.
Not that you're wrong. And, unfortunately, its a ludicrously profitable highway outside of the Fediverse.
i've seen a huge uptick in the rage/hate activity on lemmy... and it drives tons of upvotes and comments.
smart thoughtful interesting stuff... gets maybe 1/10 the activity.
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The info hygiene here is really bad. I thought people here would be better about finding well sourced informative articles to talk about but its the same news slop that dominates other platforms. This is a discussion forum so posts should have something worth discussing. Spamming the same trump action over and over doesnt create any discussion.
Scrolling through the news community is so depressing there is no comments because everyone is thinking "what do you want me to say its bad its awful"
On the contrary, I've made a few (not a ton) of what I thought were interesting news posts, but they don't seem to gain traction.
I think the deeper issue is ragebait works, very well. The community seems to be content with that, and Lemmy/Piefed devs aren't structuring the site the counter it.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Web banners are the way to go
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I've been here a few years now and I can say Lemmy's got issues. You can't come on here and have a good time anymore when all it's about is trump trump trump and Linux Linux Linux it gets old. I wanna escape from reality a bit sometimes and there's few areas to subscribe to that gives any joy anymore.
amen. i want to nerd out and make jokes and listen to people's stories and gain insightful from other people.
but now i have weirdos going into my history from such threads and telling me that if i think there is any subtlely to social or personal or moral issues, than I'm evil incarnate.
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piefed just seems more like mastodon/twitter than reddit.
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Just ban the instances you don't like, don't succumb to FOMO
banning the instance doesn't ban the users coming into your instances.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
For me I deleted my account a month ago after 2 years of lemmy. I forgot about this account and jerboa install, the only community sub is this one haha.
I figure I'll just say why I left, this place became a depressing shit hole.
The communities aren't niche enough because it's not big enough, so it's just a shit experience. I'm just going to look to old school forums again. Phpbb you must still be out there..
I figure I'll still keep this account in case I need to use it for something useful. One never knows when they'll get lost on the seas and need some directions.
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After trying to convert a friend who heavily uses reddit, multiple times, I recommended him again the other day to leave the hellsite (reddit).
I didn't recommend Lemmy but have a while back.
He himself specifically brought up that he 'didn't vibe with Lemmy as much as reddit' and that he believes he would 'miss stories he would otherwise have liked to see' by switching to Lemmy.
Reddit has kept him more up to date than not over the past year - he believes had he not been using reddit he wouldn't have found out about [specific events in iran] as early as he did.
The other main pain point I've encountered is the small and niche community problem, which I'm sure we are all aware of - certain information feels like it can only be found on such small subreddits.
Therefore I have two suggestions:
- create a Lemmy instance that mirrors reddit, rather than have bots post reddit posts onto main Lemmy instances, create an instance that mirrors specific subreddits on request, including the comments of their posts, and allows Lemmy users to comment and reply back, where those comments are also propagated to reddit so that replies and discussion are mirrored also.
This would struggle due to reddit API and compute power requirements but the subreddits on request and a specific instance for these posts would eliminate the bot spam problem from earlier attempts at the same thing.
- potentially allow the user to associate their reddit account with the instance so comments etc can proliferate without bot recognition.
The other suggestion would be:
- set up trackers for major (and newly popular) subreddits, tag posts by priority, and use this set of posts to determine what content and types of content are missing, but don't just automatically post everything as the spam problem gets out of hand.
Finally, my biggest gripe with my Lemmy use is the constant instance wars.
I have had my comments removed for being rightfully critical of Israel by lemmy.world mods. They appear intent on recreating the problems of reddit here.
create a Lemmy instance that mirrors reddit, rather than have bots post reddit posts onto main Lemmy instances, create an instance that mirrors specific subreddits on request, including the comments of their posts, and allows Lemmy users to comment and reply back, where those comments are also propagated to reddit so that replies and discussion are mirrored also.
I guess you were not here during the alien.top debacle...
This is exactly what I was doing with Fediverser, and I was really close to implement full two-way bridging, but instead of supporting the effort the great minds of Lemmy decided that the any sort of automated content was spam and unworthy of attention. Instead of looking how the system for onboarding users would make migration 10x simpler, I had to deal with skeptical admins and users who covered their noses at anything or anyone trying to fight Reddit on their grounds.
They appear intent on recreating the problems of reddit here.
The problems regarding Reddit-the-corporation are orthogonal to the problems of Reddit-the-online-space. Which types of problems are you referring to here?
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piefed just seems more like mastodon/twitter than reddit.
It's not. I don't follow that.
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The culture wars have reached the fediverse, and it's making me less happy to be here. I don't want to hang out in places where people use slurs and insults, even if they're not aimed at me. I'm seeing more casual misogyny/misandry, more casual use of the r**** slur, more perfectionist gatekeeping, more assumptions, and just less good-faith comments in general.
I'd advertise, but I'm starting to look for an alternative to lemmy.
I'm starting to see this. Over on Mastodon I'm starting to get devisive pro-Reform stuff in my feed. Often it's someone boosting (though not sure why) a video from a pro-Farage account and making a silly comment about it. The local instance I'm in is nice and friendly - and I don't want the arrival of people who just want to stir up things. We do politics there and seems left-leaning but it's courteous. Occasionally a tone deaf elephant will thunder through and then move instances when they realise we don't like the being nasty stuff.
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Hot take: the biggest issue is actually ever entering a community and seeing zero comments. Most reddit addiction stems from wanting to read comments, so I think people should add a comment to something if they're upvoting and they see that the thread has zero comments.
Nothing eliminates enthusiasm like seeing 0 comments on every post in a community, especially if that community is driven by bots.
Doing my part by trying to comment more on posts with 0 comments.
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Reddit refugee here. I've been banned three times in 2 weeks for erroneous applications of nebula's policies. They appear to be going through a self-destructive phase. All you need to be is a viable alternative to a dumpster fire and deliver a clear valuable alternative.
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banning the instance doesn't ban the users coming into your instances.
Oh yeah, I believe that will be fixed in v1.0
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I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.
the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.
So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.
edit: source for the graph
Well, good news - I'm brand new and decided I'm not resubbing to Relay so I'm effectively off Reddit since the official mobile app is garbage.
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