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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
    gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
    gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
    wrote last edited by
    #1

    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

    edit: source for the graph

    X sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS Riddick3001H jqubed@lemmy.worldJ VogiV 123 Replies Last reply
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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

      I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

      the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

      So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

      edit: source for the graph

      X This user is from outside of this forum
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      xanthobilly@lemmy.world
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      It’s quality and quantity. The quality has held despite a drop in users. Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts. Popularity may only threaten more bots and scams.

      die4ever@retrolemmy.comD gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG ambitiousslab@lemmy.mlA P T 7 Replies Last reply
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      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

        I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

        the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

        So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

        edit: source for the graph

        sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS This user is from outside of this forum
        sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS This user is from outside of this forum
        sabrew4k3@lazysoci.al
        wrote last edited by
        #3

        Things will improve after the major release with more fine grained controls. Being able to limit community interactions to members will drive up quality engagement and that should drive up retention rates.

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        • X xanthobilly@lemmy.world

          It’s quality and quantity. The quality has held despite a drop in users. Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts. Popularity may only threaten more bots and scams.

          die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
          die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
          die4ever@retrolemmy.com
          wrote last edited by
          #4

          Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts.

          Just wait

          this is how something like Digg swoops in and steals all the users

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          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

            I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

            the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

            So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

            edit: source for the graph

            Riddick3001H This user is from outside of this forum
            Riddick3001H This user is from outside of this forum
            Riddick3001
            wrote last edited by
            #5

            @gandalf-der-12te. Trying to interpret your post.

            Do you have any comparable data, from other other apps? stuff like engagement %, daily, monthly users and such?

            Also also we we could aim for both more quality and quantity. Why not?
            Trashy people can always join Trashy instance, or whoever and whenever. That's imo what's Lemmy is all about. A hook in every nook?

            gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG F 2 Replies Last reply
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            • X xanthobilly@lemmy.world

              It’s quality and quantity. The quality has held despite a drop in users. Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts. Popularity may only threaten more bots and scams.

              gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
              gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
              gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
              wrote last edited by
              #6

              Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy

              You know, there was a great blog recently that wrote about this, that now is the perfect time to popularize the fediverse. That's because as tensions with the US are rising, more people in europe are looking for alternative internet platforms to communicate over. So the fediverse can jump in here and offer itself as an alternative.

              EldritchE sortekanin@feddit.dkS Z 3 Replies Last reply
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              • sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS sabrew4k3@lazysoci.al

                Things will improve after the major release with more fine grained controls. Being able to limit community interactions to members will drive up quality engagement and that should drive up retention rates.

                die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                die4ever@retrolemmy.com
                wrote last edited by
                #7

                1.0 will be good, but probably still many months away

                and I kind of doubt most Reddit users will care, maybe we'll gain a few hundred users if we're lucky

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                • Riddick3001H Riddick3001

                  @gandalf-der-12te. Trying to interpret your post.

                  Do you have any comparable data, from other other apps? stuff like engagement %, daily, monthly users and such?

                  Also also we we could aim for both more quality and quantity. Why not?
                  Trashy people can always join Trashy instance, or whoever and whenever. That's imo what's Lemmy is all about. A hook in every nook?

                  gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
                  gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
                  gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
                  wrote last edited by
                  #8

                  i don't have any data on other fediverse platforms at hand rn, but from memory IIRC mastodon has close to 1 million users, and it's by far the biggest chunk of the fediverse.

                  • mastodon is people-centric, where you have person/user as the central element of organization, and they can have posts.
                  • lemmy is content-centric, where you have communities as the central element of organization, and they can have posts.

                  AFAIK, content-centric networks are only lemmy and piefed as of today, modeled after Reddit. lemmy is bigger (i think) with 30K (active) users.

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                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                    i don't have any data on other fediverse platforms at hand rn, but from memory IIRC mastodon has close to 1 million users, and it's by far the biggest chunk of the fediverse.

                    • mastodon is people-centric, where you have person/user as the central element of organization, and they can have posts.
                    • lemmy is content-centric, where you have communities as the central element of organization, and they can have posts.

                    AFAIK, content-centric networks are only lemmy and piefed as of today, modeled after Reddit. lemmy is bigger (i think) with 30K (active) users.

                    Riddick3001H This user is from outside of this forum
                    Riddick3001H This user is from outside of this forum
                    Riddick3001
                    wrote last edited by howru68@lemmy.world
                    #9

                    Good point regarding the differences in content or user driven apps. Hadn't thought of that.

                    It would be good to have comparable info on trends numbers and such.

                    Edit : quick search for reddit analysis I can't verify the legitimacy of this page.

                    But it states that in 2025 they had 116 million unique daily visitors, compared to 1360 million monthly users. That's i like a 1 to 12 ratio for daily & monthly users. This is just one contextual example(#E).

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                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                      Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy

                      You know, there was a great blog recently that wrote about this, that now is the perfect time to popularize the fediverse. That's because as tensions with the US are rising, more people in europe are looking for alternative internet platforms to communicate over. So the fediverse can jump in here and offer itself as an alternative.

                      EldritchE This user is from outside of this forum
                      EldritchE This user is from outside of this forum
                      Eldritch
                      wrote last edited by
                      #10

                      It's not just Europe. Plenty of us in the United States looking to circumvent the vanguard party. And fascism is rising globally. We need decentralization and federation to survive going forward.

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                      • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                        I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                        the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                        So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                        edit: source for the graph

                        jqubed@lemmy.worldJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jqubed@lemmy.worldJ This user is from outside of this forum
                        jqubed@lemmy.world
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                        #11

                        Is this strictly Lemmy or does it include related platforms like PieFed and Mbin? Because it seems like there has been some shift to PieFed

                        die4ever@retrolemmy.comD ambitiousslab@lemmy.mlA 2 Replies Last reply
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                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                          I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                          the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                          So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                          edit: source for the graph

                          VogiV This user is from outside of this forum
                          VogiV This user is from outside of this forum
                          Vogi
                          wrote last edited by
                          #12

                          I was meaning to buy a bunch of sticker for all sort of cool stuff I support (lemmy/fedi being one of those things) and stick it around the city. Know its not much, but its fun! 🙂

                          gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG sortekanin@feddit.dkS 2 Replies Last reply
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                          • jqubed@lemmy.worldJ jqubed@lemmy.world

                            Is this strictly Lemmy or does it include related platforms like PieFed and Mbin? Because it seems like there has been some shift to PieFed

                            die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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                            die4ever@retrolemmy.com
                            wrote last edited by
                            #13

                            they are separate, but not huge

                            https://piefed.fediverse.observer/stats

                            https://mbin.fediverse.observer/stats

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                            • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD die4ever@retrolemmy.com

                              Just wait and let Reddit have another controversy and we’ll get another infusion of converts.

                              Just wait

                              this is how something like Digg swoops in and steals all the users

                              EndmakerE This user is from outside of this forum
                              EndmakerE This user is from outside of this forum
                              Endmaker
                              wrote last edited by
                              #14

                              Or Bluesky / Threads vs Mastodon

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                              • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                                the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                                So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                                edit: source for the graph

                                mesaM This user is from outside of this forum
                                mesaM This user is from outside of this forum
                                mesa
                                wrote last edited by
                                #15

                                I wonder if we can combine the related fediverse services (like piefed, which is getting more and more traction lately), mbin/kbin, and others.

                                Because according to this graph I dont exist for example. Im not a "lemmy" user, but I sure interact with a lot of lemmy.

                                There is also a number of instances that are chosing not to give their numbers anymore either because of AI scrappers getting really aggressive, or because they just dont want to be seen by the different tracking software out there.

                                die4ever@retrolemmy.comD J 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                  I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                                  the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                                  So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                                  edit: source for the graph

                                  green_red_blackG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  green_red_blackG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  green_red_black
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #16

                                  This is only looking at active users.

                                  If we look at total users and servers across all Fediverse software you can see both are up.

                                  I personally am not interested in making the active user count always go up. The Fediverse maybe better then Silicon Valley, but the health problems being on the internet too much is still there.

                                  die4ever@retrolemmy.comD missingnoM Riddick3001H 3 Replies Last reply
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                                  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                                    I've been one of the people saying "we don't need more users. we need quality over quantity" and i was wrong.

                                    the way it's going, lemmy needs active users who post content sothat the network stays relevant. networks like the fediverse benefit from network effects and that means that if we have more users, that improves the value and quality of the fediverse overall.

                                    So please, everyone, when you can, make advertisement for the fediverse in your personal area. Go talk to friends, make attractive stickers and put them everywhere, stuff like that. We would all benefit from it.

                                    edit: source for the graph

                                    heyWhatsayH This user is from outside of this forum
                                    heyWhatsayH This user is from outside of this forum
                                    heyWhatsay
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #17

                                    Just talk up Lemmy, the issue is most people doesn't realize there's another option to the popular toxic trash fires.

                                    die4ever@retrolemmy.comD L D F hanrahanH 8 Replies Last reply
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                                    • VogiV Vogi

                                      I was meaning to buy a bunch of sticker for all sort of cool stuff I support (lemmy/fedi being one of those things) and stick it around the city. Know its not much, but its fun! 🙂

                                      gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
                                      gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG This user is from outside of this forum
                                      gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #18

                                      can you please share the sticker design? 🙂

                                      then others can use them too

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                                      • green_red_blackG green_red_black

                                        This is only looking at active users.

                                        If we look at total users and servers across all Fediverse software you can see both are up.

                                        I personally am not interested in making the active user count always go up. The Fediverse maybe better then Silicon Valley, but the health problems being on the internet too much is still there.

                                        die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        die4ever@retrolemmy.com
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #19

                                        I don't see why we should consider accounts that haven't been used in 6 months, we're talking about content contributions (posts/comments/votes) and those inactive accounts aren't doing anything for that

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                                        • mesaM mesa

                                          I wonder if we can combine the related fediverse services (like piefed, which is getting more and more traction lately), mbin/kbin, and others.

                                          Because according to this graph I dont exist for example. Im not a "lemmy" user, but I sure interact with a lot of lemmy.

                                          There is also a number of instances that are chosing not to give their numbers anymore either because of AI scrappers getting really aggressive, or because they just dont want to be seen by the different tracking software out there.

                                          die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                                          die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
                                          die4ever@retrolemmy.com
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #20

                                          they are separate, but not huge

                                          https://piefed.fediverse.observer/stats

                                          https://mbin.fediverse.observer/stats

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