we need more users
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Yeah, i unfortunately don't agree with the tankie censorship of people who disapprove of dictatorships.
Cowbee you especially are a gross person when it comes to licking authoritarian boot.
I don't "lick authoritarian boot" for supporting existing socialism, and the person you're replying to isn't me.
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- More then Reddit this place is an echo chamber for the far left anti capitalist crowd. While I don't mind a discussion, everything over simplified to EAT THE RICH was getting tiresome.
That must be so difficult for you compared to all the wonderful corporate platforms full of rightwing hateful trolls who genuinely harass people.
I'm going to tentatively upvote this. There's a good reason the left wingers on this platform sound bitter (myself included). The Overton Window has shifted right, so they're pretty much surrounded by toxic right-wing stuff on every other platform.
Still, it doesn't help Lemmy attract moderates.
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A big part of that is on the design side. We really need the ability to fork/ clone/ merge/ migrate communities across instances. Lemmy was designed to be an "entire" reddit replacement. Because of this, we end up with redundant communities with less activity. Migration of accounts and communities could effectively solve this issue.
Its possibly lemmy could have been designed such that communities of similar type could be aggregated into a single instance. For example, maybe you start a "snowboarding" community on .world, but when a sports focused instance pops up, you might want to migrate your community. A few instances build like this.
Piefed has a community migration tool.
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Thanks, I made an account. Waiting for my activation email
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Depends… Imagine it also contains some of the most relevant communities and defederating would mean you lose users. That’s not such an easy decision any more. Also, at that point hosting would likely be so expensive that for-profit instances would emerge, and for those defederating an important community wouldn’t be such an easy choice either.
I don't think that would save it, to be honest.
People would just clone the communities on other instances and rebuild.
I suspect eventually lemmy/piefed federation will not be automatic, but subject to approval.
But it’s not only CSAM. For example, there’s illegal speech in quite a few parts of the world. In Germany, for example, a lot of nazi-related stuff is illegal. In russia or china some regime-critical speech is illegal. I wouldn’t be too surprised if the US also joins this club sometime in the near future.
No-one cares what Russia or China thinks here. Germany? I mean, sure, but this is also a complication for any regulatory bodies trying to police social media sites. As "Lemmy" or "Piefed", as you know, are not singular entities.
Sorry if that came across. I said lemm.ee was shutdown because of the scaling issue. I could have been more clear with that I meant the moderation scaling issues.
Yeah, in part because they had a "no defederation" policy which came to bite them back.
No-one cares what Russia or China thinks here. Germany? I mean, sure, but this is also a complication for any regulatory bodies trying to police social media sites. As "Lemmy" or "Piefed", as you know, are not singular entities.
People living in Russia or China might care.
UK might be much more difficult, btw. They now ban all porn without identity checks. So if you host a lemmy/piefed instance that's accessible in the UK you will need to delete all adult content that makes it to your instance, if you don't want to violate UK law.
People would just clone the communities on other instances and rebuild.
Cloning communities isn't quite that easy. Were you present when feddit.de went down? Their communities didn't vanish. The replications are still up on all other instances, and you can still post there. There's no indication to a casual user that the instance hosting the communities is down and thus federation doesn't work. To the users it just looks like participation dropped like a rock with no obvious reason.
The communities were cloned onto a new instance (IIRC feddit.org) but even up to now, people keep posting to the old now-unfederated communities.
Btw: that's another quite critical issue: Lemmy lacks any and all migration tools. Can't migrate an instance to a new URL, can't migrate users or communities to other instances. All you can do is scrap all you had and start fresh.
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Jep, I think the lack of specialized communities is definetly a problem. However I think this is, in the last resort, mostly up to us as users. If we don't create content for topics we find interesting... who else could?
But I also get that possible reddit refugees who are used to lurk on content instead of creating it (I don't exclude myself here) will find the plattform(s) to empty to be satisfied.
Yeah, but for lurking on Reddit you don't even need an account. If only you are not NSFW enjoyer.
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Yeah. Huge improvement and my other account is on piefed.social
Not having it from the beginning though, it helped create this issue in declining usership, which will kill the entire project if we don't address it.
I've lived through the birth growth and death of many former spaces which occupy a similar role as Lemmy. When users start to depart, its almost always destined for catastrophic collapse.
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Or maybe people just need to stop saying "Lemmy" and instead say "Voyager", or "Boost for Lemmy" or whatever app they would suggest to use?
It's like Linux, I don't suggest people to install Linux because that's not a thing, I suggest they install Bazzite or Fedora KDE, or whatever I think will suit them best
Most people would see "use Voyager or boost" to be akin to "use Reddit or Instagram". Because why would there be more than one app to connect to the app.
It's wrong, but any time you break from a standard assumption you require thinking. Once you require thinking, you lose anyone who isn't otherwise motivated.
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Most people would see "use Voyager or boost" to be akin to "use Reddit or Instagram". Because why would there be more than one app to connect to the app.
It's wrong, but any time you break from a standard assumption you require thinking. Once you require thinking, you lose anyone who isn't otherwise motivated.
Yea true.
I didn't mean you should tell people "use Voyager or Boost for Lemmy"
I meant you should tell people "use Voyager" or "use Boost for Lemmy" or whatever app you think they would like, but just 1
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…I am drifting away from Lemmy myself.
Political communities are echo chambers like Reddit, in a different color. Discussing tech or helping others is better, but still feels like talking in circles.
Wholesome subs like /c/SuperBowl are sublime, but I mostly lurk there.
Information hygiene is awful. Big subs upvote tabloids and Tweets to the sky, as long as they align with their beliefs. I just saw a discussion on a not-obviously AI generated photo with the community sentiment of “misinformation? Who cares. It’s a pro-lefty meme, so spread it.”
Anyway, all this scrolling and impulse commenting eats time. I get the same feeling of shouting into a black hole that I get on corporate social media.
Much of this is my fault, though.
I have several niches I intend to make original posts for, but never do.
It’s somewhere in the giant pile of my IRL executive dysfunction :’(
I get bummed that the political stuff has really taken over. I find myself spending more and more time just working on my own content and answering people's comments than browsing the other communities. It's draining scrolling past so much stuff to find the fun bits, but I don't want to just block it and not see how our platform is developing as a whole.
A lot of communities have rules that posts need to be titled the same as the source article, which, while it prevents editorializing, it also brings all those ragebait headlines here. Plus I'd like to see Lemmy users' opinions moreso than an article I could just read myself. I'd probably prefer more of the political post to be thoughts/feelings and then discussion is backed up by decent articles rather than an article being the post and comments are just all steered back to a single, often inflammatory article.
If half our content is just reposted mainstream media, why would one expect our comment sections to look any different than the comment sections of those mainstream sites?
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I'm going to tentatively upvote this. There's a good reason the left wingers on this platform sound bitter (myself included). The Overton Window has shifted right, so they're pretty much surrounded by toxic right-wing stuff on every other platform.
Still, it doesn't help Lemmy attract moderates.
What conservatives want is for us to treat them like babies with tiny little fragile baby beliefs that we have to coddle.
I don't care if you think differently than me, what I care about is babies demanding we take their hateful and irrational ideologies seriously while they simultaneously target vulnerable groups with at a minimum hate speech and harassment.
If we coddle conservatives this place becomes less welcoming to new people, that is how it is.
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Stop, stop it for a second. "Tankie"? It's probably just people with different ideas than yours. If you don't like to read what they have to say, block them, but please stop calling collective demeaning names to artificial groups of people.
Tankies are the communists who scream and harass anyone who isn't communist like them, and think anyone who doesn't believe what they believe is fascist and should be eliminated.
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What conservatives want is for us to treat them like babies with tiny little fragile baby beliefs that we have to coddle.
I don't care if you think differently than me, what I care about is babies demanding we take their hateful and irrational ideologies seriously while they simultaneously target vulnerable groups with at a minimum hate speech and harassment.
If we coddle conservatives this place becomes less welcoming to new people, that is how it is.
Yeah you're absolutely right. Though we are talking about two separate things here; OP and I are talking about "eat the rich" left rhetoric. Like people coming here and seeing comments like, "wheel out the guillotines", and "kill all CEOs".
You're talking about the fact that we shouldn't welcome conservative voices after they've ruined the rest of the internet. I absolutely 100% completely agree with you.
I'll give you an example; I'm more leftie than my wife. So it surprising to her when I said that people should be allowed to just punch Nazis with no legal ramifications. Like to her it was actually confronting to hear someone she knew advocate for violence. I explained my reasoning. They are corrosive to society's norms, and really need a different set of rules to regular people to be contained. The only language they understand is violence.
But the point is the average person is going to be immediately repulsed by calls for violence and extreme rhetoric, regardless of whether it is morally justified and the reasoning is technically correct.
So imagine a moderate "regular" person coming to this forum. Without the context of history that you and I have, how do they interpret these comments? Will they want to stay on Lemmy?
I'm not saying Lemmy should change, by the way. I have no problem with the rhetoric, and there's a case to be made that getting rid of it may make it easier for conservatives to get a foothold here. But it's worth a discussion, I guess.
And that all said, there's a chance that by "eat the rich" OP means anything complaining about the rich, in which case they can fuck off to their own instance.
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I don't "lick authoritarian boot" for supporting existing socialism, and the person you're replying to isn't me.
Is the "socialism" in the room with us right now?
I think you might have a different understanding of socialism than modern socialists. Yours seems more like a 1950s flavor of "socialism"
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Considering you think you're replying to me, I'm not a fascist, I'm a communist, same as Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. There are no CPC agents pointing guns at me, I'm a communist that organizes in real life.
I also can't ban you anywhere, the only space I moderate is Hexbear's c/theory comm, which on a .world account you can't even see.
Marx, Engles, and Lenin did not support dictatorships
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I'm the same kind of socialist as Marx, Engels, Lenin, etc. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, communist, whatever you want to call me. I'm no Nazi, and equating Nazism with communism contributes to Double Genocide Theory, a form of Holocaust trivialization.
I'm also not banned here either, I can talk to you just fine. This is a conspiracy-theory with 0 evidence, I'm not sure why you believe it so strongly.
Marx, Engles, and Lenin did not support dictatorships
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My main account is @vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net, I'm really not lying to you. But I feel honored to be compared to comrade Cowbee
Thank you for signing into your main account to reply to me.
If your ideology is valid you shouldn't have to make alts to force people to read your comments
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Marx, Engles, and Lenin did not support dictatorships
Neither do I. They all support the working class controlling the state, the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is what I support.
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Marx, Engles, and Lenin did not support dictatorships
Neither do I. They all support the working class controlling the state, the dictatorship of the proletariat, which is what I support.
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I have kind of the opposite experience. When I go on reddit, I feel depressed and angry, when I go on Lemmy I laugh and learn stuff. Probably the communities I subscribe to though. I get political and regional news from Reddit (and don't have an actual reddit account anymore). I get funny science and Star Trek memes from Lemmy and cyber security and tech news.
Where are you that you are having these experiences? I find Lemmy hard to explore.
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