Kit Harington was ‘Genuinely Angered’ By Fan Petition to Remake ‘Game of Thrones’ Season 8 With ‘Competent Writers’
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highly acclaimed historically by listeners and critics.
if that's a good enough reason for you, then that's what it is. from my perspective, "listeners and critics" factor 0% into what i consider to be worth my time
I don't really like hip hop (generally), I was just noting the reputation if we're observing general reputation. Whereas in music terms, something like Imagine Dragons (for example) simply doesn't have that critical reputation.
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Logan was good, Masie was okay in it. Uhh...yeah.
She was great in Dr Who
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I mean GOT still at least had 6 highly received seasons. I don't think the ending degrades GOT as a series.
I also don't think there's anything especially wrong with gravitating towards media content that explores dark or violent themes in writing (seemingly a partial objection of yours to GOT?)
I don’t think the ending degrades GOT as a series.
the ending is the most important part. what's the point of any of it if it's not leading up to something? i have no problem with darkness or violence, but to claim those things as a unique or groundbreaking thing in defense of the show is what's goofy to me. i mean it has boobies too. yea, and...?
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I don’t think the ending degrades GOT as a series.
the ending is the most important part. what's the point of any of it if it's not leading up to something? i have no problem with darkness or violence, but to claim those things as a unique or groundbreaking thing in defense of the show is what's goofy to me. i mean it has boobies too. yea, and...?
It depends on how much quality there is prior to it to me. Endings do weaken the show overall to varying degrees if they are badly done or rushed, but there's a lot of great content along-the-way.
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I don't really like hip hop (generally), I was just noting the reputation if we're observing general reputation. Whereas in music terms, something like Imagine Dragons (for example) simply doesn't have that critical reputation.
yea, i know. GoT is popular. and so far, the reasons i've seen people giving for it being popular is that "it's popular"
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Then Kit is genuinely an idiot. How could you be surprised by the reaction to season 8??
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Eternals was also Robb Stark, not Kit. It was not a good film.
It was both, kit was in it for like 5 total minutes and was in the scene mid or post credits with blade.
Richard Madden was a main character tho and had way more screen time.
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yea, i know. GoT is popular. and so far, the reasons i've seen people giving for it being popular is that "it's popular"
It's also considered a very good adaptation, great writing, great acting etc (until end of S04, or end of S06 depending who you ask) in its own right. There's a reason it did attain popularity in the first place.
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It's also considered a very good adaptation, great writing, great acting etc (until end of S04, or end of S06 depending who you ask) in its own right. There's a reason it did attain popularity in the first place.
fair enough. enjoy S8
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https://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/popular.html
kanye is one of the most listened to musics. fuck him too
Thats a bad comparison. Kayne's music is very well respected.
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Thats a bad comparison. Kayne's music is very well respected.
the entire point of this whole thread is "popular" does NOT automatically equal "good"
if your reasoning is that the music (or the show, or the painting, or whatever tf you want) is respected because "it's respected," then you're doing literally nothing to support your position
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I'll never get tired of the people who whinge about that.
Yes, the quality of the show took a major nosedive after they ran out of written material. In large part because they had to constantly jump from Event to Event and had a hard time building up the nuance that connected those.
You know what? They should have put everyone in cryofreeze and waited until Martin finished the books. He'll have the next one any day now... He just needs to figure out the logistics of getting characters from point A to point B while still having time to add the nuance and connective tissue that would make that make sense.
Wait a moment....
People also don't realize how incredibly valuable it is to effectively have a global focus group to figure out what worked and what didn't in a story by looking at the reaction to book scenes before filming.
But nah. The issue is clearly all HBO and Benioff and Weiss.
It really IS Martin's fault. NuXCOM is right, but to act like HBO, Benioff and Weiss actually GAF is laughable. B&W were off signing new deals while the whole thing crashed. Not saying it would be EASY to find a shadow writer capable of bridging the gap but it sure doesn't look like they tried.
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I'll never get tired of the people who whinge about that.
Yes, the quality of the show took a major nosedive after they ran out of written material. In large part because they had to constantly jump from Event to Event and had a hard time building up the nuance that connected those.
You know what? They should have put everyone in cryofreeze and waited until Martin finished the books. He'll have the next one any day now... He just needs to figure out the logistics of getting characters from point A to point B while still having time to add the nuance and connective tissue that would make that make sense.
Wait a moment....
People also don't realize how incredibly valuable it is to effectively have a global focus group to figure out what worked and what didn't in a story by looking at the reaction to book scenes before filming.
But nah. The issue is clearly all HBO and Benioff and Weiss.
That analysis doesn't seem to explain the parts of the show that sucked not for lack of good source material, but because they just ignored it. Dorne, for example.
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I don't know how to respond to that. I feel like I'm being Mandelad pretty hard right now.
Dafne Keen was the girl in Logan.
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I'll never get tired of the people who whinge about that.
Yes, the quality of the show took a major nosedive after they ran out of written material. In large part because they had to constantly jump from Event to Event and had a hard time building up the nuance that connected those.
You know what? They should have put everyone in cryofreeze and waited until Martin finished the books. He'll have the next one any day now... He just needs to figure out the logistics of getting characters from point A to point B while still having time to add the nuance and connective tissue that would make that make sense.
Wait a moment....
People also don't realize how incredibly valuable it is to effectively have a global focus group to figure out what worked and what didn't in a story by looking at the reaction to book scenes before filming.
But nah. The issue is clearly all HBO and Benioff and Weiss.
"they made it bad on purpose" is a new one to me.
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That analysis doesn't seem to explain the parts of the show that sucked not for lack of good source material, but because they just ignored it. Dorne, for example.
Book Dorne was a giant shaggy dog story that results in a kid getting sliced up (not great for reviews and very costly for makeup for her remaining appearances) and, last we know of, Jaime on his way to maybe tell her she is an incest baby but it's cool because all these people on reddit/lemmy see no issue with that. So she is all but guaranteed to die horribly upon returing to Westeros but in the arms of Jaime.
Show Dorne led to Myrcella getting dead and had the god awful "everyone wants bad pussy" line or whatever it was. Which was obnoxious but very much lines up with the sexposition of the good years that people seemed to love.
I think a better argument would be Lady Stoneheart. As a character, she mostly treads the same ground that Thoros of Myr and later Jon would (all of which almost assuredly ends with "but who cares about magic because the real evil is humanity"). But all signs are that it drastically changes both Jaime and Brienne's arc. That said, I assume show Jaime ends up being much more sympathetic (and, thus, tragic) and Show Brienne likely merged with another character to become the new head of the kingsguard as a way to give her story a better ending than "brainwashed by birgands and dead in a ditch".
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... If you are adapting a turd that is going to piss off everyone, wouldn't you maybe secure some future work ahead of time?
Like... anyone who thinks "because he had the best story" and the chubby author insert with the hot wife winning isn't pure Martin... I got a bridge to sell you and I'll give you a discount if you pay in crypto.
As for HBO fixing it themselves? Look at how Martin lost his god damned mind over some minor adaptations for the prequel series. That is far from the first time he has thrown a hissy over anyone touching His Work. Even if they had found someone who could truly untangle the mereneese knot in a perfect manner, it would have just led to an angry old white guy losing his shit and disparaging everyone involved.
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Sophie Turner has had a decent run of mid-tier high budget movies (the jennifer lawrence xmen movies) and I think is the new live action Lara Croft?
Robb Stark was in that show about the bodyguard who banged the president while calling her "mum" the entire time? I hear that was good? And he has pivoted that into even more pseudo-spy dramas?
Kit was one of the less offensive things about Marvel's Eternals. Allegedly. Nobody watched it.
But I think it is also important to remember how a lot of these major franchises go. Most of the cast are hired REAL young because they are basically signing a contract to be in something for a decade or more. The known greats are wary of that and are going to want a lot more money and may just bail. See Elizabeth Olsen in the MCU where she clearly decided she was done with that shit. And that is why it tends to be less "Wow, so and so was a great actor" and more "So... both the leads of Twilight kind of just became known for really quirky low budget films they took because they are already set for life monetarily?"
Sometimes you get lucky? Most of the time you don't. And you rely on your supporting cast to carry the production. And most of the GoT supporting cast were already known amazing talent with established careers who just continued doing their own thang after the fact.
"So... both the leads of Twilight kind of just became known for really quirky low budget films they took because they are already set for life monetarily?"
I've really enjoyed following the careers of those two. Stewart in particular is very underrated. She has a very laid back, "natural" style which didn't gel well.with big budget cringe like Twilight but comes off as very realistic and convincing in smaller indie dramas.
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i'm not comparing those two things. i'm pointing out that the "it's popular = it must be good" argument is obviously ridiculous when you apply it to kanye. or any other terrible thing that's "popular"
i'm pointing out that the "it's popular = it must be good" argument is obviously ridiculous
No one made that argument, though. The person you replied to literally said you can debate the merits of the show.
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She seems to be a very nice person, but to me, she had the weakest performances of almost anyone on the show. Could be a me problem, but the scenes with her always just broke my suspension of disbelief. The only thing worse was seeing Ed Sheeran...
no, I'm with you on that. I just didn't really buy her character a lot of the time.
