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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse

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  • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

    Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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    jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world
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    #99

    Ironically, the most active user on the current #2 China community, !china@sopuli.xyz, is an absolutely indefatigable anti-Chinese propagandist.

    This person, @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org posts multiple times per day, usually quite sensible and well-sourced articles, but always on the same downer subjects (repression, Uighurs, corruption and so on) and never anything that paints China (let alone its government) in the slightest positive light. Since nobody else in this community can match their posting stamina, the end result is a community that, to newcomers, looks like one rando's "I hate China" blog. Hardly surprising that it's not a very successful community.

    I've asked this user to consider dropping the tempo a bit, and been met with defensiveness. I complained in private to the mod, who is completely AWOL, and they didn't care. Oh well.

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    • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

      Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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      wrote last edited by
      #100

      leftists* are rampant on the fediverse

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      • R realitista@lemmus.org

        Good hint, but there needs to be an online registry of them where you can subscribe to them and get updates automatically when they change. This is how Bluesky works and it works very well.

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        Nutomic
        wrote last edited by nutomic@lemmy.ml
        #101

        Defederations and bans essentially work like a shared blocklist for all users on that instance. Plus you get a local feed with other users who have similar interests, and blocked users/instances don't use local server resources.

        Subscribing to a blocklist seems risky, because it's likely that many users would subscribe to a single, popular blocklist. Then it would become a centralised point of control which can silence people across much of the Lemmyverse.

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        • comfyC comfy

          On the topic, I've been seeing plenty of war-hawk think-tank accounts who only post propaganda, like:

          • Scotty@scribe.disroot.org
          • Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org
          • randomname@scribe.disroot.org
          • 0x815@feddit.org (and all their alt-accounts, including 0x815@feddit.de and thelucky8@beehaw.org )

          They are clearly not involved in our communities.

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          Maeve
          wrote last edited by
          #102

          https://lemmy.ml/comment/22522523

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          • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

            So they're trying to capture mind share of technologists. Nice play, I'm embarrassed.

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            whaleross@lemmy.world
            wrote last edited by
            #103

            Register on a different instance and filter everything ml. It's a life changer with the Fediverse.

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            • NutomicN Nutomic

              Defederations and bans essentially work like a shared blocklist for all users on that instance. Plus you get a local feed with other users who have similar interests, and blocked users/instances don't use local server resources.

              Subscribing to a blocklist seems risky, because it's likely that many users would subscribe to a single, popular blocklist. Then it would become a centralised point of control which can silence people across much of the Lemmyverse.

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              realitista@lemmus.org
              wrote last edited by realitista@lemmus.org
              #104

              Yes, but I'd rather be able to control it myself than try to find a whole instance that perfectly matches my needs. You can always unsubscribe from the blocklists.

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              • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                braininabox@lemmy.ml
                wrote last edited by
                #105

                Do you have a shred of actual evidence for this? Or is it just the standard lib ad-hom of accusing those who disagree of being evil foreigners?

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                • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                  I'm so embarrassed I've been using a tankie instance without knowing it for months and only recently realized it

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                  HarkMahlberg
                  wrote last edited by
                  #106

                  Don't worry OP, you could always move to a different instance. You've already done the hard part, figuring them out lol.

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                  • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                    Lemmy.ml is?!? That's who I signed up for though. I like the privacy stuff. So which instance is politically neutral but technically aligned, pirate party, self hosting etc?

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                    Coastal_Explorer
                    wrote last edited by
                    #107

                    If you're concerned about privacy, you should probably know that a lot in the fediverse is very open by design so that other instances can communicate effectively.

                    That's why everyone can see what you upvote/downvote, even if Lemmy itself doesn't show this to you in its UI.

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                    • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                      How do you know? I'm finding out because I can't post or comment about certain things 🤫😳🙈

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                      HarkMahlberg
                      wrote last edited by
                      #108

                      ML stands for Marxist-Leninist, that's more or less the Tell. They're not merely socialist, but authoritarian. Like MAGA, they treat dissent as hostile.

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                      • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                        Entire subs and communities, and servers are Chinese state actors. I wish we could daylight this bullshit, a single serving page with a method for rankings subs, servers with biases?

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                        braininabox@lemmy.ml
                        wrote last edited by
                        #109

                        Show your evidence

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                        • whaleross@lemmy.worldW whaleross@lemmy.world

                          Register on a different instance and filter everything ml. It's a life changer with the Fediverse.

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                          braininabox@lemmy.ml
                          wrote last edited by
                          #110

                          Or better yet, to back to Reddit

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                          • R realitista@lemmus.org

                            I've gotten banned and censored from communities there for saying that Ukraine should fight back against Russia.

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                            braininabox@lemmy.ml
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                            #111

                            Unfortunately for you, the modlog is public

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                            • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                              This was true until I realized they're all over. Anything even remotely pertaining to China is flooded with the Chinese state actors reply guys and bots. In effect, using the protocols strength against itself. Is the protocol itself even able to be banned in China? Are they seriously active on here just to push their bullshit China marketing even harder. They've gone all out the last five years.

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                              HarkMahlberg
                              wrote last edited by
                              #112

                              Even Chinese SA's have access to VPN's, proxies, etc. It's not like they would tie their own hands behind their backs to spread the good word, ya know?

                              Russia only needed a small number of inroads to influence the 2016 US election, and now? Pff, they hardly need to do anything, we're completely self-sufficient in propagandizing ourselves. It's entirely possible China's already created their own army of Overseas Useful Idiots.

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                              • F franconian_nomad@feddit.org

                                The lemmy developers are tankies and three big lemmy servers are entirely controlled by them, namely hexbear, lemmigrad and Lemmy.ml. You will find plenty of China, North Korea and for some kind of reason Russian propaganda on them.

                                !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

                                !tankiejerk@piefed.social

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                                braininabox@lemmy.ml
                                wrote last edited by
                                #113

                                Bullshit, hexbear and lemmigrad aren't remotely controlled by the Lemmy devs. Why do you people just lie like this?

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                                • F franconian_nomad@feddit.org

                                  Diggaah, if you claim something the proof of burden is on your side!

                                  Funny. I don’t know all of this users, but I know pugjesus and haven’t seen one pro-genocide post from him ever, but a shit ton educational history memes….

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                                  braininabox@lemmy.ml
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #114

                                  You didn't offer a shred of proof for your own claims, you hypocrite.

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                                  • artyomA artyom

                                    It's widely-know. Just have to look at the post history of the creators. Particularly Desalines or whatever.

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                                    braininabox@lemmy.ml
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                                    #115

                                    So no, you have zero evidence

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                                    • B braininabox@lemmy.ml

                                      So no, you have zero evidence

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                                      artyom
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #116

                                      I cited the evidence in the comment you just replied to. Just because you can't be bothered to read it doesn't mean it's not there.

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                                      • artyomA artyom

                                        I cited the evidence in the comment you just replied to. Just because you can't be bothered to read it doesn't mean it's not there.

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                                        braininabox@lemmy.ml
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                                        #117

                                        Lol, you literally didn't though. Why lie so obviously?

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                                        • S slazer2au

                                          Treat it like a troll post. Downvote and move on, if the name becomes familiar block them.

                                          This goes for all propaganda not just the stuff you are against.

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                                          amillionmonkeys@lemmy.world
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                                          #118

                                          I still don't understand the point of downvoting here since it doesn't seem to affect visibility. You'll have the dumbest take on something sitting there at -36 and I still have to look at it.

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