Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse
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whataboutism is a thought-terminating cliche.
it ends up a very effective way of shutting down comparison between them.
The whole point is that there is no comparison necessary. It's nothing but a deflection.
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Yes they can see I did not
So, again, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by lying about this.
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What’s rampant is imperial core propaganda. You see the “Chinese propaganda” as “rampant” because you’re used to seeing only imperial core propaganda, which is how the internet looks on corporate media, including corporate social media.
The first step is to understand the media, which Media Bias/Fact Check and the Ad Fontes Media* are never going to teach you. The only people who are taught it are those who get degrees in marketing, public relations, political science, history, and journalism; and even then only some of them.
The new post-Trump/“post-truth” media literacy curricula won’t teach it to you either, because it was paid for and crafted by the US military-industrial complex: New Media Literacy Standards Aim to Combat ‘Truth Decay’.
This week, the RAND Corporation released a new set of media literacy standards designed to support schools in this task.The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
None of it is a secret, though, and it can be learned.
- Noam Chomsky - The 5 Filters of the Mass Media Machine
- Propaganda model
- Edward Bernays
- Walter Lippmann
- Council on Foreign Relations
- Powell Memorandum
- The Trilateral Commission’s report, The Crisis of Democracy
* I’ve criticized MBFC & Ad Fontes before:
ah yes, corporate media such as... the BBC
truly yank brained
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So, again, I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by lying about this.
I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by lying about this.
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I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by lying about this.
Lol. "I know you are but what am I!"
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Well sure you can criticize Trump there. But try criticizing the CCCP, China, or Russia.
we have reservations about, and criticize them all the time.
what i don't really see being tolerated is insistent propaganda talking points or trolling, and even then most will talk to you if you are reasonable.
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Well sure you can criticize Trump there. But try criticizing the CCCP, China, or Russia.
I can and do
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we have reservations about, and criticize them all the time.
what i don't really see being tolerated is insistent propaganda talking points or trolling, and even then most will talk to you if you are reasonable.
Insistent propaganda talking points and trolling are tolerated if they are from the Russian or China/CCP perspective. Honestly that's about all there is on their news or politics discussions.
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you are getting the deflection backwards. the comparison is very necessary when the problems and contradictions in the countries being smeared pale in comparison.
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Insistent propaganda talking points and trolling are tolerated if they are from the Russian or China/CCP perspective. Honestly that's about all there is on their news or politics discussions.
communists will mostly discuss communism and related
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Ultimately the problem is that the mods for the communities they frequently post to have allowed this to go on for years. They have to know by now what’s going on, and by doing nothing they tacitly endorse it.
I don't mind it too much. If the community itself can deal with ir by voting on the posts, it's a more democratic solution and it has a built-in consensus. Mods killing it makes life easier but it produces more quesrions among the community abt whether that was the best course of action. Kinda like how some people feel about being censored on .ml, no offence. Isn't that a dialectical relarionship of sorts, the effects of more vs less moderation?
I guess it depends on the people's culture. If they come from a lib background, less moderation is more productive. If they're used to authority taking care of things instead of them having to do the work, then more moderation is better suited or else people would complain mods aren't doing their job.
And speaking of moderation. OP got banned.
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Ironically, the most active user on the current #2 China community, !china@sopuli.xyz, is an absolutely indefatigable anti-Chinese propagandist.
This person, @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org posts multiple times per day, usually quite sensible and well-sourced articles, but always on the same downer subjects (repression, Uighurs, corruption and so on) and never anything that paints China (let alone its government) in the slightest positive light. Since nobody else in this community can match their posting stamina, the end result is a community that, to newcomers, looks like one rando's "I hate China" blog. Hardly surprising that it's not a very successful community.
I've asked this user to consider dropping the tempo a bit, and been met with defensiveness. I complained in private to the mod, who is completely AWOL, and they didn't care. Oh well.
never anything that paints China (let alone its government) in the slightest positive light
Feel free to change that. Just use quite sensible and well-sourced articles.
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
I love these posts, they're always a treasure trove of accounts to block.
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Don't forget USAian propaganda. By far the most prevalent under that regime.
I tend to find Lemmy to be pretty good at being critical of the US
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Not all leftists are supportive of China, anarchists certainly aren't.
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
Capitalist propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. Most big instances -generalist, tech or something are wholly controlled by bourgeois people who would rather uphold state violence than democracy. What do you think?
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
Yeah I don't care. I can still find other things to read easily.
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Not all leftists are supportive of China, anarchists certainly aren't.
That's not a rule, though. Many anarchists critically support the PRC and consider socialism to be better than capitalism, even if they disagree with Marxism and seek communalization over collectivization in the final analysis. As an alternative to the US Empire's naked terrorism, the PRC plays a positive role.
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Their idol Mao killed approx 160 million humans.
Do you have a source on that? Even if you include landlords killed by the peasantry during land reform, all of the deaths by unintentional famine, and the excesses of the cultural revolution as deliberately killed by Mao, the numbers accepted by Historians are nowhere close to 160 million. This is such a fantastical number that even the famously debunked Black Book of Communism doesn't go over 100 million, and that was including the entire history of the soviet union as well as PRC. The Black Book of Communism famously included both non-births as deaths, and Nazis killed by the Red Army as "victims of communism."
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"Authoritarian" in this case meaning what, exactly? That the states set up by Marxist-Leninists have lasted for longer than a few years, and built up the necessary state structures to protect the gains of socialism?
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