Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse
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I'm sorry to say that lemmy is not popular enough to be on CPC's radar.
The CPC's propaganda budget is mostly focused on what Chinese people would read if they get over the great firewall (mainly YouTube and Twitter).
Second to that is the general "feel good" stories, like scenery, food, or panda (recently high-speed trains), aiming at the mainstream Western public. You may see those on lemmy, but it's very unlikely that the state propagandists are the ones posting them here.
That sounds like something chinese state propagandists would say.
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I'm aware that after the votes, crisis in politics caused a dramatic swing in faith in the system. The question of viability of the socialist project wasn't unclear, however. The dissolution of the USSR was something that happened not due to some inevitable death clock in socialism. Contrary to what you believe, popular opinion can swing that fast, such as in the US Empire, where within a single month sentiment on Israel flipped from overwhelmingly positive to majority negative.
Further, as I already showed, the large majority of people in post-soviet countries feel worse off and/or regret its fall. Socialism was an effective system at meeting the needs of the people, and though liberalization and a harsh recovery process from World War II strained the system, it was not on the way to collapse.
such as in the US Empire, where within a single month sentiment on Israel flipped from overwhelmingly positive to majority negative.
It didn't go from +90% to -90%. That's what I mean with the huge 'swing' seen here. Negative attitudes on Israel went from 42% to 53% in 3 years time. Yet this supposed "total reversal of opinion" happened in months? Nonsense of course. Remember, the Soviet referendum did not have "dissolution" as an option. People picked the option closest to it.
the large majority of people in post-soviet countries feel worse off and/or regret its fall
This is irrelevant to the false notion that the Soviet Union dissolved against what the people wanted at the time, which that graphic is often used to misleadingly suggest.
Even then, opinion polling on the subject is highly unreliable. Even the same pollster slightly rephrasing the question nets wildly different results. In the Baltics opinion is pretty consistent that the fall of the USSR was a good thing. But Belarusians tend to disagree with that. But when Belarusians are asked if they prefer to follow a Soviet system or a western democratic system, they choose the latter. And when another pollster asks them again in the same year, opinions flip again.
There's certainly a strong sentimental nostalgia towards the Union, though not in all former member states. Yet it seems unlikely the population would be willing to vote it back into existence.
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Yes it's okay as long as it's a legal order. And there are plenty of legal targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
So you see how people react to that and go wow that person wants <insert country here> to be able to kill civilians?
Especially after saying and I quote
Yes it's okay as long as it's a legal order. And there are plenty of legal targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
it's fine if a legal order?
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Oh people quoting you is probably what you meant by
But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.
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Idk which I dislike more. Those types of accounts or the ones upset when you point out the I want x country to attack y country means people/civilians will get killed
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Are you trying to be ironic? Of course the BBC is pro imperialism.
Never said anything about imperialism. Only that they're not corporate media.
Chinese media is also imperialist. Any media that is controlled by an imperialist state is imperial media.
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Your wish is my command!
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So you see how people react to that and go wow that person wants <insert country here> to be able to kill civilians?
Especially after saying and I quote
Yes it's okay as long as it's a legal order. And there are plenty of legal targets in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
it's fine if a legal order?
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Oh people quoting you is probably what you meant by
But this is what it's like on .ml. Someone will twist your argument into something that can get you banned without you even saying the words that you are getting banned for. It's a worthless place to be.
If you want to give an example of what an .ml mindfuck, being taken out of context and banned is like, congrats you have succeeded.
So you think it's legal to expressly target civilians?
And no one could quote me saying the things they said I did because I didn't.
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Well that would be all well and good if you were discussing communism. But you are simping for authoritarian regimes that are not at all communist such as Russia. There's a word for that, it's "tankies".
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They're an IDF apologist, so probably not
whats that mean
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Well that would be all well and good if you were discussing communism. But you are simping for authoritarian regimes that are not at all communist such as Russia. There's a word for that, it's "tankies".
russia is not communist! genius geopolitical analysis right there, you are correct. beyond the strawmen, you simp for the us empire. there's also a word for that, it's "fascists".
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors.
As one of the moderators of !memes@lemmy.ml i encourage OP to look at the sort of posts i make and tell me - do you really think i'm a "Chinese state actor"?
Do you think all these posts i make in, eg, !hoch@lemmy.ml and !goodnews@lemmy.ml and !badnews@lemmy.ml and !eleven@lemmy.ml... these are all part of a carefully-crafted cover, and I'm actually being paid by China to delete totally-not-racist posts depicting their president as a yellow cartoon bear?
And for this service, to maintain my cover, they also pay me to create memes like this and this and this and this and this and this (and defending that one against less informed nerds) and this and this and this (a small sample of my OC here)?
And do you think China paid for this understandable explanation of asymmetric cryptography using high-school level math, because someone asked, deep in a thread about a service which I'd also already debunked the snake-oil privacy claims of?
Really?
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
That's because these "community" type social media sites will inevitably come under the control of bad actors, or initiated by some.
I was hoping Lemmy wasn't like this, I guess I'll keep looking for a new home.
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such as in the US Empire, where within a single month sentiment on Israel flipped from overwhelmingly positive to majority negative.
It didn't go from +90% to -90%. That's what I mean with the huge 'swing' seen here. Negative attitudes on Israel went from 42% to 53% in 3 years time. Yet this supposed "total reversal of opinion" happened in months? Nonsense of course. Remember, the Soviet referendum did not have "dissolution" as an option. People picked the option closest to it.
the large majority of people in post-soviet countries feel worse off and/or regret its fall
This is irrelevant to the false notion that the Soviet Union dissolved against what the people wanted at the time, which that graphic is often used to misleadingly suggest.
Even then, opinion polling on the subject is highly unreliable. Even the same pollster slightly rephrasing the question nets wildly different results. In the Baltics opinion is pretty consistent that the fall of the USSR was a good thing. But Belarusians tend to disagree with that. But when Belarusians are asked if they prefer to follow a Soviet system or a western democratic system, they choose the latter. And when another pollster asks them again in the same year, opinions flip again.
There's certainly a strong sentimental nostalgia towards the Union, though not in all former member states. Yet it seems unlikely the population would be willing to vote it back into existence.
People did have a massive swing in opinion. I'm aware that dissolution was not an option, but your claim that people didn't change their opinion in light of the immense political turmoil between that vote and the second vote requires more evidence than "people don't change their minds that quickly." Rather, to the contrary, large shifts in opinion do happen more swiftly than gradually.
Further, the fact that the large majority regret the fall of the soviet union is relevant in showing that it clearly wasn't as simple as saying everyone hated living in the soviet union, but realized how good they had it afterwards. Polling is often inconsistent not because of bad polling, but political instability caused by the immense fuckery of capitalism and imperialism in these countries, and forces like NATO.
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If you want to give an example of what an .ml mindfuck, being taken out of context and banned is like, congrats you have succeeded.
So you think it's legal to expressly target civilians?
And no one could quote me saying the things they said I did because I didn't.
This is literally what was removed and the entire argument/question. Do you think people are okay targets if in wrong country, and it's yes.
So you think it's legal to expressly target civilians?
Again it was if it's a legal order is it okay for them to kill people or civilians and you said yes. But now that you see it you're not too no I totally meant not if being specifically targeted, but it's fine if they're collateral
Like fuck how does this keep happening, especially from the ones calling ml a shit hole
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No it is not. If that's the case, nothing matters except the worst of the worst. Everything can be excused by "yeah but that other guy is worse so it's okay". It's preposterous.
yes it is, because it's not china holding the world hostage with their trillion dollar military. they are qualitatively different.
saying tens of millions or deaths worldwide (probably much more) and even more kept in poverty is in equal standing with getting into war with your neighbor for a few months 50 years ago is a wild exaggeration that serves to both sides an issue that has one prominent cause for a century or so rn. we have had enough of it.
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I mean the PRC and the USA arent Nazi Germany. So they are basically perfect. /s
Moral critic is kind of above geopolitical branding wars imho
the usa is basically equivalent to nazi germany right now, yes.
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okay but it's also a normal thing for the CPC to monitor and influence online spaces and it's certainly not restricted to lemmy
Prove it
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I'm a big fan of using previous baseless conspiracy theories to justify current baseless conspiracy theories.
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Best advice here. ML is a goddamn dumpster fire
Lol. This coming from a .worlder
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It's always funny to watch tankies try to justify their boot licking. You're not fooling anyone, bud.
It's always funny to watch shitlibs have no response and have to resort to lazy insults
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