Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse
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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?
How do you define "Chinese propaganda" and why do you think CCP even cares about a place as small as Lemmy?
As a side observer, I just see some people being more loyal to China and others to the US. This does happen on a decentralized platform where you can't shut down the other side of the discussion.
Overall, Lemmy remains America-centric and America-dominated on all fronts, so if there's any bias, it's here.
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I'm assuming that made sense in your head?
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but they aren't. you still speak as if they are two big bad villains willing to nuke the planet.
only one of them is and equating them is dishonest at best to someone subject to the empire and very deflective.
equating them is dishonest
Criticizing one of them on it's individual merits while avoiding comparisons is very obviously not the same thing as equating both of them.
and very deflective.
LOOOOOLOLOL you can't be serious.
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whats that mean
It means you frequently defended the IDF genociding in Gaza
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I think we have a misunderstanding. I meant legal by international law. It is not legal by international law to target civilians. So no, I do not think it's okay to target civilians, full stop.
But yes this is very much how .ml feels. Twisting words to achieve some sort of propaganda win. Excellent job there.
Yes we have a misunderstanding, but not the definition of law.
But yes this is very much how .ml feels. Twisting words to achieve some sort of propaganda win. Excellent job there.
Again not twisting any words. This is why most think ml does censorship. They come in, say terrible things and when comment removed or banned call foul.
This is what a 10+ comment deep thread and you still can't admit why anyone would think it was poor wording
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You were temp banned, usually those are for a few days for the person to cool down. The removed comment was part of a chain advocating for the collective punishment of russian civilians
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Okay.. From the last couple days.
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Removed Comment There are lots of countries, including all the western countries where fewer people answered affirmatively to that question, where people are far more free to express their opinions than in China, though. The most obvious reason being that the majority of the world's countries do not have a Great Firewall. This is what shows that there is a bias in the Chinese answers -- or possibly a bias the other way in the western ones, but either way it means the results are not meaningfully comparable. edit: > What's happening is that working class speech is relatively free, while capitalist and corporate speech is not. That's why the vast majority say they have freedom of speech, while we know the state censors private, capitalist speech. "I don't want to work the 996 work week" is the epitome of working class speech, whereas supporting it is corporate speech. China chose to censor it. by
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Yes we have a misunderstanding, but not the definition of law.
But yes this is very much how .ml feels. Twisting words to achieve some sort of propaganda win. Excellent job there.
Again not twisting any words. This is why most think ml does censorship. They come in, say terrible things and when comment removed or banned call foul.
This is what a 10+ comment deep thread and you still can't admit why anyone would think it was poor wording
In that specific case I was banned for words I didn't say. Same technique you are trying here, to ask me if legal attacks should be allowed and then changing the definition of legal. And there are plenty of mods for just saying something which the CCCP doesn't like:
Okay… From the last couple days.
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mod Removed Comment There are lots of countries, including all the western countries where fewer people answered affirmatively to that question, where people are far more free to express their opinions than in China, though. The most obvious reason being that the majority of the world’s countries do not have a Great Firewall. This is what shows that there is a bias in the Chinese answers – or possibly a bias the other way in the western ones, but either way it means the results are not meaningfully comparable. edit: > What’s happening is that working class speech is relatively free, while capitalist and corporate speech is not. That’s why the vast majority say they have freedom of speech, while we know the state censors private, capitalist speech. “I don’t want to work the 996 work week” is the epitome of working class speech, whereas supporting it is corporate speech. China chose to censor it. by turdas @suppo.fi reason: misinformation
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Well sure you can criticize Trump there. But try criticizing the CCCP, China, or Russia.
I engage regularly there in precisely those discussions.
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equating them is dishonest
Criticizing one of them on it's individual merits while avoiding comparisons is very obviously not the same thing as equating both of them.
and very deflective.
LOOOOOLOLOL you can't be serious.
then why is it doing to the us "whataboutism"?
it is very deflective to go both sides bad when neither exists in a vacuum. especially considering the context of the fucking world being held hostage by the us.
i find it hard to believe westerners hate china that hard on it's own merits, because it doesn't warrant that at all.
but i do find it curious they always want to remove all context or straight up lie to criticize china, because that's the only way westerners can.
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In that specific case I was banned for words I didn't say. Same technique you are trying here, to ask me if legal attacks should be allowed and then changing the definition of legal. And there are plenty of mods for just saying something which the CCCP doesn't like:
Okay… From the last couple days.
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In that specific case I was banned for words I didn't say
Expect we can see from the mod log the removed comment was for advocating collective punishment.
Same technique you are trying here, to ask me if legal attacks should be allowed and then changing the definition of legal.
Again not changing definition pointing out legal doesn't mean people won't get killed.
For the rest is your point you do lots of comments that get removed?
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then why is it doing to the us "whataboutism"?
it is very deflective to go both sides bad when neither exists in a vacuum. especially considering the context of the fucking world being held hostage by the us.
i find it hard to believe westerners hate china that hard on it's own merits, because it doesn't warrant that at all.
but i do find it curious they always want to remove all context or straight up lie to criticize china, because that's the only way westerners can.
then why is doing it to the us "whataboutism"?
I don't know how to be any more clear this. Using whataboutism is using whataboutism. If I talk about China and you say "but what about US!", that's a whataboutism, because we're not talking about the US. And vise versa. It's a clear attempt to excuse and deflect blame away from the topic at hand and onto someone else.
it is very deflective to go both sides bad
I'm glad you finally understand.
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I really couldn't care less. If they want to mod someone for criticizing authoritarian regimes, there's no point in being there. You can't say I didn't try.
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I really couldn't care less. If they want to mod someone for criticizing authoritarian regimes, there's no point in being there. You can't say I didn't try.
All I see here is a temper tantrum
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then why is doing it to the us "whataboutism"?
I don't know how to be any more clear this. Using whataboutism is using whataboutism. If I talk about China and you say "but what about US!", that's a whataboutism, because we're not talking about the US. And vise versa. It's a clear attempt to excuse and deflect blame away from the topic at hand and onto someone else.
it is very deflective to go both sides bad
I'm glad you finally understand.
and you still don't seem to get that condemning "rampant ccp propaganda!" when we praise it's accomplishments is not honest, and that neither country is in a vacuum.
today's us colonial and fascist strategy is directly related to how they want to hurt china, and that also shows in the anti-chinese western narrative. and you don't really have the moral high ground to criticize them in light of this.
neatly wrapped in a single word to deflect us responsibility for the shitty state of the world.
i repeated that point a couple of times in different ways, so i'm just gonna wish you a nice day, and may your mind eventually be freed from that.
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and you still don't seem to get that condemning "rampant ccp propaganda!" when we praise it's accomplishments is not honest, and that neither country is in a vacuum.
today's us colonial and fascist strategy is directly related to how they want to hurt china, and that also shows in the anti-chinese western narrative. and you don't really have the moral high ground to criticize them in light of this.
neatly wrapped in a single word to deflect us responsibility for the shitty state of the world.
i repeated that point a couple of times in different ways, so i'm just gonna wish you a nice day, and may your mind eventually be freed from that.
You can repeat the same nonsense all you want, it's still nonsense. I hope one day your "mind is freed" from comparing everything to the worst possible example as an excuse for bad behavior.
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People did have a massive swing in opinion. I'm aware that dissolution was not an option, but your claim that people didn't change their opinion in light of the immense political turmoil between that vote and the second vote requires more evidence than "people don't change their minds that quickly." Rather, to the contrary, large shifts in opinion do happen more swiftly than gradually.
Further, the fact that the large majority regret the fall of the soviet union is relevant in showing that it clearly wasn't as simple as saying everyone hated living in the soviet union, but realized how good they had it afterwards. Polling is often inconsistent not because of bad polling, but political instability caused by the immense fuckery of capitalism and imperialism in these countries, and forces like NATO.
Protests were already widespread in the Union. Several member states had already declared nominal independence from Moscow. Gorbachev was doing damage control and trying his best to keep the Union from fracturing further. Elections in member republics saw huge rises in popularity for noncommunist parties.
The referendum was an attempt to gain the political momentum required for reform, in an ultimate effort to keep the Union together. It was essentially a kind of propaganda attempt to display large support for the reformed Union, made possible because dissolution was not on the ballot.
There was widespread civil discontent before the referendum. Elections saw noncommunists rise to power and several member states declared independence. Then I am somehow to believe that the population first swung all the way back to "actually the Soviet Union is great and we don't want to leave it" and back to "we should leave the Soviet Union" in a matter of mere months? That is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence, which you don't have. The truth is far simpler: at every point once the civil unrest started, the population voted in favour of less Soviet Union and for more independence, and not the other way around.
My point regarding the phrasing of post-Soviet polling is that the wording drastically changes the outcome. Sure, people aren't happy about how the 90s turned out and they feel they're not part of a superpower anymore. They're not happy with being screwed over by western nations. They say those things were better under the Soviet Union. But ask them if they would go back to such a Union, and suddenly support evaporates. And in several former member states even the first few questions don't find much Soviet sympathies (eg the Baltics). They want to live in a stronger nation, akin to the Soviet Union, but they do not want to go back to what once was. It isn't a simple case of "boy we sure had it good", that does a huge disservice to the diverse and complicated opinions of the Union.
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