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Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse

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  • libertylizard@slrpnk.netL libertylizard@slrpnk.net

    I do too but some of it is hard to uproot. Someone has to put in the work to unravel it and it's often very difficult and unpopular work for the first experts to take that on.

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    mrdown@lemmy.world
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    #85

    There is less propaganda talking point that you think that can be debunked in 5 minutes. The same propaganda talking repeated points so they become so easy to recognize. You don't need to know the whole history of Russia and Ukraine to know that Russian invasion is illegal, you don't need to know too much of the history of China or Taiwan to know that China has no right to take Taiwan, you don't need too much details to know that Israel is the settler colonial power and that settler colonialism is never justified . Visiting regularly the modlog it is pretty clear to me that mods of big communities do not intent to fight propaganda at all . One can't expect all propagandist comments and posts to be removed but can expect some to be removed when they are reported

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    • L lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org

      Facts or tits. Provide one.

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      #86

      ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/it/its/its/itself, she/her/her/hers/herself, fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself, love/love/loves/loves/loveself, des/pair, null/void, none/use name]E L 2 Replies Last reply
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      • алсааас [she/her]A алсааас [she/her]

        If you know anything about Goat and PugJesus...

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        franconian_nomad@feddit.org
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        #87

        Well I guess no answer in this case is a very loud answer.

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        • artyomA artyom

          Lemmy was created by Chinese state actors, so no surprise there.

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          Cowbee [he/they]
          wrote last edited by
          #88

          Do you have any evidence backing this claim up, or is this the way you've decided to rationalize a greater portion of people being pro-PRC?

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          • F franconian_nomad@feddit.org

            Well I guess no answer in this case is a very loud answer.

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            алсааас [she/her]
            wrote last edited by alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            #89

            Diggaaaa, you can just look the users, their posts, their communities and how they moderate them (modlogs) up.

            No need to spoonfeed you like a child

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            • artyomA artyom

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              #90

              2 great tits! They're really beautiful.

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              • алсааас [she/her]A алсааас [she/her]

                Diggaaaa, you can just look the users, their posts, their communities and how they moderate them (modlogs) up.

                No need to spoonfeed you like a child

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                franconian_nomad@feddit.org
                wrote last edited by
                #91

                Diggaah, if you claim something the proof of burden is on your side!

                Funny. I don’t know all of this users, but I know pugjesus and haven’t seen one pro-genocide post from him ever, but a shit ton educational history memes….

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                • artyomA artyom

                  It's widely-know. Just have to look at the post history of the creators. Particularly Desalines or whatever.

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                  Cowbee [he/they]
                  wrote last edited by
                  #92

                  Opinions are not evidence of state funding.

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                  • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                    Opinions are not evidence of state funding.

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                    artyom
                    wrote last edited by
                    #93

                    Who said anything about state funding? Opinions are sometimes not opinions at all, just propaganda from state actors.

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                    • artyomA artyom

                      Who said anything about state funding? Opinions are sometimes not opinions at all, just propaganda from state actors.

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                      Cowbee [he/they]
                      wrote last edited by
                      #94

                      What do you mean by "state actor" if not someone funded, paid, or otherwise supported by a state? Is just being a fan of China being a state actor?

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                      • Cowbee [he/they]C Cowbee [he/they]

                        What do you mean by "state actor" if not someone funded, paid, or otherwise supported by a state? Is just being a fan of China being a state actor?

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                        artyom
                        wrote last edited by
                        #95

                        otherwise supported

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                        • artyomA artyom

                          otherwise supported

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                          Cowbee [he/they]
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                          #96

                          Do you have evidence of Dessalines, or any other Lemmy dev, being supported by the CPC?

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                          • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                            Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                            comfy
                            wrote last edited by
                            #97

                            On the topic, I've been seeing plenty of war-hawk think-tank accounts who only post propaganda, like:

                            • Scotty@scribe.disroot.org
                            • Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org
                            • randomname@scribe.disroot.org
                            • 0x815@feddit.org (and all their alt-accounts, including 0x815@feddit.de and thelucky8@beehaw.org )

                            They are clearly not involved in our communities.

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                            • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                              What you’re describing is false moral equivalence used as a deflective propaganda strategy.

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                              artyom
                              wrote last edited by
                              #98

                              AKA "whataboutism".

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                              • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                                Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                                jubilantjaguar@lemmy.world
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                                Ironically, the most active user on the current #2 China community, !china@sopuli.xyz, is an absolutely indefatigable anti-Chinese propagandist.

                                This person, @Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org posts multiple times per day, usually quite sensible and well-sourced articles, but always on the same downer subjects (repression, Uighurs, corruption and so on) and never anything that paints China (let alone its government) in the slightest positive light. Since nobody else in this community can match their posting stamina, the end result is a community that, to newcomers, looks like one rando's "I hate China" blog. Hardly surprising that it's not a very successful community.

                                I've asked this user to consider dropping the tempo a bit, and been met with defensiveness. I complained in private to the mod, who is completely AWOL, and they didn't care. Oh well.

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                                • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                                  Chinese propaganda is rampant on the fediverse. We need to discuss ways to combat this. One group- memes or something is wholly controlled by Chinese state actors. What do you think?

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                                  #100

                                  leftists* are rampant on the fediverse

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                                  • R realitista@lemmus.org

                                    Good hint, but there needs to be an online registry of them where you can subscribe to them and get updates automatically when they change. This is how Bluesky works and it works very well.

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                                    Nutomic
                                    wrote last edited by nutomic@lemmy.ml
                                    #101

                                    Defederations and bans essentially work like a shared blocklist for all users on that instance. Plus you get a local feed with other users who have similar interests, and blocked users/instances don't use local server resources.

                                    Subscribing to a blocklist seems risky, because it's likely that many users would subscribe to a single, popular blocklist. Then it would become a centralised point of control which can silence people across much of the Lemmyverse.

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                                    • comfyC comfy

                                      On the topic, I've been seeing plenty of war-hawk think-tank accounts who only post propaganda, like:

                                      • Scotty@scribe.disroot.org
                                      • Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.org
                                      • randomname@scribe.disroot.org
                                      • 0x815@feddit.org (and all their alt-accounts, including 0x815@feddit.de and thelucky8@beehaw.org )

                                      They are clearly not involved in our communities.

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                                      Maeve
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                                      #102

                                      https://lemmy.ml/comment/22522523

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                                      • D dsn9@lemmy.ml

                                        So they're trying to capture mind share of technologists. Nice play, I'm embarrassed.

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                                        whaleross@lemmy.world
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #103

                                        Register on a different instance and filter everything ml. It's a life changer with the Fediverse.

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                                        • NutomicN Nutomic

                                          Defederations and bans essentially work like a shared blocklist for all users on that instance. Plus you get a local feed with other users who have similar interests, and blocked users/instances don't use local server resources.

                                          Subscribing to a blocklist seems risky, because it's likely that many users would subscribe to a single, popular blocklist. Then it would become a centralised point of control which can silence people across much of the Lemmyverse.

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                                          realitista@lemmus.org
                                          wrote last edited by realitista@lemmus.org
                                          #104

                                          Yes, but I'd rather be able to control it myself than try to find a whole instance that perfectly matches my needs. You can always unsubscribe from the blocklists.

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