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Matt Damon Says Netflix Wants Movies to Restate the ‘Plot Three or Four Times in the Dialogue’ Because Viewers are on ‘Their Phones While They’re Watching’

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  • S [object Object]

    I guess that's why ‘Severance’ is full of padding shots with nothing happening in them.

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    gathorall@lemmy.world
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    Most are even marked with ominous elevator music for your convenience.

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    • RiskableR Riskable

      Talk about the wrong response!

      If they want people to not look away or do something else while the movie is playing you gotta keep it interesting.

      Ya know, like perhaps making movies that aren't just rehashes of the same old stories.

      Make movies and shows that keep people on their toes!

      Making a crime drama? Throw in some traveler from the future or a demon or both! Give the judge two heads because of a "merging accident" or something!

      Putting together a horror movie? Throw in some romance among the monsters! Have them feed each other eyeballs or something!

      Making an anime? Try something totally radical! Like a male protagonist with non-dark hair that has a personality, or make a couple—in love—who get stuck somewhere together, alone have actual sex (like normal teens would) or something!

      Making a K-drama? Add a black guy and make him one of the main characters... Haha, just kidding! That would be too radical! That'd be just as extreme as making an anime that covers the time period a few years after "the hero" formed his harem!

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      gathorall@lemmy.world
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      And what then? How does anything you've proposed matter?

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      • A atcorebcor@sh.itjust.works

        Does that include Lemmy?

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        ken@discuss.tchncs.de
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        #129

        It can. Depends on how you use it. Wear gloves and goggles when handling .ml and political memes on .world and such.

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        • DylanMc6 [any, any]D DylanMc6 [any, any]

          I mean the atomization of society

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          kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I’m not trying to be a dick, but that word doesn't work there. It sounds like you’re trying to say “society moving towards full automation” but there isn’t a word that would quite slot into your sentence to mean that.

          Sometimes you just gotta use more words.

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          • kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.comK kairubyte@lemmy.dbzer0.com

            I’m not trying to be a dick, but that word doesn't work there. It sounds like you’re trying to say “society moving towards full automation” but there isn’t a word that would quite slot into your sentence to mean that.

            Sometimes you just gotta use more words.

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            DylanMc6 [any, any]
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            This is what I mean: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

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            • S [object Object]

              I've watched through ‘Severance’, which is very popular afaict. It's chock full of protracted shots padding the runtime. Either the directors (mostly Ben Stiller) think they're new Kubricks, or the directive was to make the show longer. Idk what Netflix gets from a longer show, when a season is dumped all at once anyway — presumably more space for ads, which are apparently there now. I wouldn't feel much guilty about checking the phone in between any meaningful action.

              The only new film that really gripped me in the past few years was ‘The Substance’, which felt like oldschool Cronenberg stuff. Ironically it's comparatively long, and doesn't even have much dialogue.

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              potustheplant@feddit.nl
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              #132

              First and foremost, you're complaining about pacing, not writing. Second, that's your opinion and that's fine. Personally, I don't think every single second needs to move the plot forward. I'm perfectly fine with sections of it being transicions or world building or other stuff.

              Your opinion's fine though. Just go watch something else. However, you not liking something doesn't mean that it's necessarily bad, nor good.

              If the substance really is the only film that gripped you in the past few years, then you either are terrible at picking movies or you just don't really like cinema all that much.

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              • M MotoAsh

                lol yea, toootally nothing to do with it. That's why nobody ever talks about great movies, and movies toooootally aren't getting longer nad longer... yep, totally not a quality to attention thing.

                Not like there are legendary movies that are several hours long that people still watch... Yep, quality has nothing to do with how long people stay engaged with movies!

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                potustheplant@feddit.nl
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                The fact that classics exist has literally nothing to do with this discussion. Also, no, movies aren't getting longer. Source.

                There are plenty of great films still being made every year. If you don't watch or like them, that's a you problem.

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                • FudgyMcTubbsF FudgyMcTubbs

                  I'm pretty boring. I like depth of writing, artful cinematography, expert acting all the way down to two-line roles, least amount of cgi/green screen as possible (fake fire doesn't look real, and cgi car chases look cheesy af), not the same actors ive seen in stuff for the past 20+ years (but i do like famous actors who absolutely slay a completely new type of role for them -- like Jim Carrey did in Truman Show), fantastic dialogue that doesn't spoon feed exposition and subtext, skilled editing that makes the aforementioned cinematography serve some subtext, and directing that can masterfully weave it all together. Ya know -- a quality film.

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                  Riskable
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                  #134

                  Meh. If I have to watch an Oscar winner that has all those things but it's the same old story that I've seen redone a thousand times forget it. I don't care that the acting was fantastic or that the cinematography was absolutely the best. I still know what's about to happen.

                  Comedy can be great no matter who is in it and the cinematography doesn't matter. That's because the dialogue needs to be fresh and clever or it just won't be funny 🤷

                  Give me more weird and interesting sci fi and fantasy! Throw the fantastic writers and cinematography at that instead of "guaranteed minimum sales/viewers* like we're currently living with for 90% of all movies and shows.

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                  • G gathorall@lemmy.world

                    And what then? How does anything you've proposed matter?

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                    Riskable
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                    It'll be more interesting.

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                    • P potustheplant@feddit.nl

                      The fact that classics exist has literally nothing to do with this discussion. Also, no, movies aren't getting longer. Source.

                      There are plenty of great films still being made every year. If you don't watch or like them, that's a you problem.

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                      MotoAsh
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                      Nowhere did I say they no longer make good movies.

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                      • M MotoAsh

                        Nah, they're making a joke from the misspelling.

                        add: To perform addition. Or a mob joining an ongoing fight in a game.

                        ad: An advertisement.

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                        denaggels@feddit.org
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                        Thank you, should have made that clear.

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                          fort_burp@feddit.nl
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                          Can't believe how prescient this movie was. We're on our way!

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                            Can't believe how prescient this movie was. We're on our way!

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                            Captain Aggravated
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                            Go away! Bait'n!

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                            • T theoriginalgregtoo@lemmy.world

                              I would actually argue the opposite. Modern movie plots are an ADD fever dream. There are so many things going on that keeping track is an absolute chore.

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                              thefonz@lemmy.world
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                              Except pluribus

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                                thefonz@lemmy.world
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                                I think Netflix manufactured this problem first. Originally they were going for volume so they added a lot of padding to their og shows. To the point I stopped watching (torrenting) any Netflix originals. So people got in the habit of doing other stuff while waiting for the plot to start moving again. Now they claim that their shows are meant for second screens. Motherfucker: we are in the golden age of TV, so there's plenty of engaging content being produced. Marvelous Mrs. Maisle is so fast paced and brilliant I never felt the need to pick up my phone.

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                                  It'll be more interesting.

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                                  gathorall@lemmy.world
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                                  Why? Are you satisfied by simple window dressing?

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                                  • edible_funkE edible_funk

                                    The fact that she's "dead" means she's finally free, and I'm pretty sure Mike's speech about what if she's still alive was a strong hint that eventually he'd find her again. Every character got the best possible outcome all considered.

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                                    DeliciousDoorknob
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                                    If we take Duffer brothers' word as gospel, they will never see each other again. Which was the intended message to go along with their "she represents childhood magic, and that has to end for kids to grow up" statement. Nothing hopeful there.

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                                    • T thefonz@lemmy.world

                                      I think Netflix manufactured this problem first. Originally they were going for volume so they added a lot of padding to their og shows. To the point I stopped watching (torrenting) any Netflix originals. So people got in the habit of doing other stuff while waiting for the plot to start moving again. Now they claim that their shows are meant for second screens. Motherfucker: we are in the golden age of TV, so there's plenty of engaging content being produced. Marvelous Mrs. Maisle is so fast paced and brilliant I never felt the need to pick up my phone.

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                                      pokerchips@programming.dev
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                                      Marvelous was great. Always attentive to that show.

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                                        tankovayadiviziya@lemmy.world
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                                        Netflix movies are pretty crap for doing these because we ourselves are to blame. I admit I have done this couple of times while watching movie or TV at home.

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                                          SEO was a mistake.

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                                          SEO was inevitable. That what is optimal to be seen in a search is not what is most useful for the end user is a failure of search engine algorithms to properly penalize that shit.

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