Obsidian's The Outer Worlds 2 Underperformed, and There Won't Be a Third - IGN
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How did you like 2 vs the first? Haven't beat the first got it for free with my prime subscription and just got to monarch. So far liking it!
Felt very polished and the dialogue tress are massive.
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Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age Veilguard - each one of these games were touted for their improved combat, at least improved movement. That's not to say any are great, just that they're not as clunky as previous games. They are not standout in that regard. So for Bioware and Obsidian, it is still the case that their draw is writing in a higher budget RPG than the startup indie scene. Pretty much where Owlcat is now getting to with Warhammer and the Expanse licensed games, that's where Bioware and Obsidian were 20-25 years ago. Narrative games
Bioware and Obsidian games aren't so fun to play to appeal with mediocre writing. I think like an 80+% reduction of irony, snark, sarcasm, eye rolls, modern slang, knods to modern culture would do wonders for their games writing. Don't have to get rid of all of it. Just have them be more fun finds in a dialog tree that make them memorable and each high quality while the rest of the narrative takes itself seriously. I'll 5 great jokes over 100, "ehh I get it. I guess that's funny."
I couldn't get into veil guard. The combat was pretty good and it looks pretty. The characters were annoying and seemed... Type cast? All their dialogue seemed corny. Maybe they get better throughout the story but the story also didn't grab me.
I played all the others and the mass effect series multiple times. I even enjoyed Andromeda for what it was (though I quit at the final mission save for some reason).
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This reminds me to finish the outer wilds.
You gotta finish. The ending sticks with you a while
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The Outer Wilds
That's the wrong game
Yeah sorry, very easy to confuse ! Outer Wilds is one of the defining masterpieces of gaming, Outer Worlds is just alright.
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I'm not surprised. I was going into the final stretch of Outer Worlds 1 and realized I just don't care. It wasn't a bad game but New Vegas it was not.
It did make for a great Secret Level episode though.
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Outer worlds 1 was fine. It was goofy, had character, but no depth to it's story. The gunplay was not good, not for me anyway. Can we not do bullet sponges and leveled lists? Can levels give you abilities instead of numbers? Honestly would have been a better game if it was an isometric RPG, which obsidian is good at making.
Was. But I do agree.
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I'm not surprised. I was going into the final stretch of Outer Worlds 1 and realized I just don't care. It wasn't a bad game but New Vegas it was not.
It did make for a great Secret Level episode though.
Right. An hour after maxing out my character I realized I wasn't really having fun anymore, I was just trying to get it over with.
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Saw it came out and thought for a second "I want to play that" but in reality there was nothing redeeming from the first to bring me back
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Saw it came out and thought for a second "I want to play that" but in reality there was nothing redeeming from the first to bring me back
Thats where I'm at. I'm just now wrapping up Outer Worlds 1 and its just not that good or memorable.
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$70 for a game is mad. Even if it was critically acclaimed and award winning who can afford that when most people struggle to live? Even $50 is a lot of money. Big game developers have lost the plot.
AAA games are just too expensive and many are just not finished at release now. I'm not forking out top dollar for a half finished game. Outer Worlds 2 is still $89.99 CAD. That is absolutely insane in my opinion. I enjoyed the first one, but I also bought it on sale. Indy games nowadays are generally a better bang for your buck anyways and theyre only $30-40 regular price and they are also generally at a finished state or at the very least very honest about the state they are in.
I'll probably pick the game up in 2 years when its $20 on Steam or something.
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Thats where I'm at. I'm just now wrapping up Outer Worlds 1 and its just not that good or memorable.
I think it was good, but not memorable. It was... Fine. It was a fun romp, I don't feel like I wasted it, but I don't think there needs to be a huge franchise either.
I'm all for fine games. Not everything needs to be red dead levels and they did that with outer worlds. That said, I was shocked when Microsoft wanted 80 bucks for it when the first one was clearly a 40 dollar game
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Saw it came out and thought for a second "I want to play that" but in reality there was nothing redeeming from the first to bring me back
i finished the first one but couldn't even push past 2 hours on the second. Just awful
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I mean, there's no great secret, right ? The Outer Worlds is just an alright-ish franchise. Bethesda without the incompetence, but also without the hype.
and without the fun
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Ya know... if they had spent a single second on the story instead and maybe made a cohesive plot that followed anywhere close to the first instead of phoning in the bullshit they did...it might have been a bit more well received.
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I couldn't get into veil guard. The combat was pretty good and it looks pretty. The characters were annoying and seemed... Type cast? All their dialogue seemed corny. Maybe they get better throughout the story but the story also didn't grab me.
I played all the others and the mass effect series multiple times. I even enjoyed Andromeda for what it was (though I quit at the final mission save for some reason).
My guess on Veilguard is that after the original creator left, now it was up to remaining writers to maintain passion in lore that they didn't formulate. So Veilguard, it all gets watered down and anticlimactically rolled out and the focus ended up being relationship drama which still sucked.
A Dragon Age game that wants to be Lifetime channel medieval teenage fantasy romance but the characters are all seasoned combat veteran adults so it's very weird for them to behaving so childish and unprofessional or even blase about the world ending/faith shattering reveals in the story. They are weirdly archetypal high school students placed in the wrong story
I played DA1-3 a bunch of times. Veilguard just sucks. ME1-3 I never liked like KOTOR 1and 2 but good enough. Andromeda, it's not interesting. Dropped maybe halfway through. Good gunplay and movement but overly big uninteresting worlds. I don't remember what any character wanted. At least Inquisition, the different areas were visually memorable
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Yeah the first was alright, like a small scale Bethesda game with pretty ok gunplay. I got my copy for free (thanks epic) but it still wasn't enough to interest me to buy the second.
Well they definitely learned a lot from Bethesda. Maybe too much. But they also outperform Bethesda in a lot of ways. Like using unreal, it just allows way more realistic facial movements than any Bethesda game allows, making NPCs feel far more realistic, and therefore allowing better immersion. But Bethesda absolutely needs to start from scratch with a new engine if they want to continue using their own. With an updated engine it could pump out games much faster than trying to continuously upgrade the old ass engine to look better. It's seriously out of date when facial movements still are only confined to the mouth like their newest game, starfield. Like games back in the day would use the same engine and get a new one out 2-3 years later. Why can't we do that again?
I just want more content, if you put out a game I love, I don't need the most advanced version of it, just give me another with a new story on the same engine. It worked great with old grand theft Auto games. I totally understand why it wouldn't work like call of duty, because they put almost no effort in the story. But cutting down on on the effort of the engine, and focusing on story, would be fine. Their biggest anchor is the engine.
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Ya know... if they had spent a single second on the story instead and maybe made a cohesive plot that followed anywhere close to the first instead of phoning in the bullshit they did...it might have been a bit more well received.
im guessing outer worlds 2 has a similar story to borderlands 4? which if so im definitely not interested lol
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God man, shits so sad but I'd be lying if I said I was surprised at all. The first one was very OK, like it was certainly a game that I played and bothered completing. They were very lucky someone had the idea to make Parvati in the first game, the rest of the crew was a snooze fest (at least for me). But then I see the shitty commercial they made for the companions in the 2nd game, and no fucking wonder it didn't sell! They tell you nothing, play that god awful song over some shitty footage and crack a joke about how none of them are romance-able. They then charge 80 bucks, and make fun of you if you pay for their premium edition, yea go fuck yourself obsidian, and stop taking credit for new Vegas, none of those team members are still around.
dude parvarti was like 95% of the reason i kept playing outer worlds 1 until the end
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im guessing outer worlds 2 has a similar story to borderlands 4? which if so im definitely not interested lol
Never played BL4....so can't comment. As far as OW2... they had a decent bit of potential to work with...and instead went a different route entirely
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God man, shits so sad but I'd be lying if I said I was surprised at all. The first one was very OK, like it was certainly a game that I played and bothered completing. They were very lucky someone had the idea to make Parvati in the first game, the rest of the crew was a snooze fest (at least for me). But then I see the shitty commercial they made for the companions in the 2nd game, and no fucking wonder it didn't sell! They tell you nothing, play that god awful song over some shitty footage and crack a joke about how none of them are romance-able. They then charge 80 bucks, and make fun of you if you pay for their premium edition, yea go fuck yourself obsidian, and stop taking credit for new Vegas, none of those team members are still around.
I'm not sure which of you is right, but another comment below said JSawyer is still at Obsidian. That's the name for me, and probably for a lot of people.
