1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay
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They just use IG and TT as backups. Yeah, you could be banned from all three. But that's where the audience is, so without that why bother?
I love the idea of fediverse video, but even I don't use it. No content I care about. No audience that would care about me. I get more visibility on a Lemmy post that just says "beans" than I would spending an hour making a 30 second video.
No service starts as the winner. Each one has to work it's way up (or down).
But I don't say "don't use YT". Use it is you want (I do too). But, if you are a content creator, use PF as a backup. There are already some channels that do.
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Done. I thought it was going to be difficult leaving YouTube but then they blocked new pipe which was my YT crutch. I don't know what they were thinking I was going to do but it was not re installing their app.
PipePipe has never let me down yet. In case you still need to interact with YouTube.
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Anyone can instance can defederate from any other instance in Lemmy, not that hard to understand.
I agree, and I think it's a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it's simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.
At the end of the day it shouldn't matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.
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I agree, and I think it's a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it's simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.
At the end of the day it shouldn't matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.
Piefed starts out with poisoning the ecosystem, as linked here quite a few times by redwizard.
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
What's the difference between Lemmy and piefed, and why should be choose one over the other?
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Peertube isn't really a viable alternative. There isn't a substantial enough audience for creators and there isn't really enough content for an audience. I guess if you're one of the 100 people watching transport evolved that's cool but it isn't really a meaningful alternative. I suppose it could be supplementary, but why would creators want to drive their traffic to a site that doesn't actually matter for their visibility? I imagine the same probably applies to loops.
Also, like, with video you kind of want a reliable host that you know isn't going anywhere.
The rest are okay as long as you're not super worried about how many people are seeing what you post. Lemmy and Piefed are great for content aggregation and discussion, but they seem to be the only ones that at this point actually do anything that might be helpful.
I've tried Mastodon and while it's way better than Twitter it isn't exactly providing a way to reach a substantial audience. Personal websites are probably a better bet for ease of access.
My main issue with peertube is that I find it confusing. Its not self contained in the sense on how to subscribe to channels or people. AFAIK you also need a mastodon account for it and to jump through some hoops to subscribe to a creator.
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UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don't look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before
i recommend trying out thunder, I just switched from sync.
It's foss and actively developed
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Since your Lemmy account is only 3 days old, I would recommend switching over to PieFed. It’s a much nicer experience and federates with all the same servers that Lemmy does, so you’re seeing the same posts but in a better way. You’re on lemmy.zip, and the same devs run piefed.zip.
With a little curation of your community subscriptions, you can get a very similar experience to Reddit but better.
What do you prefer about piefed? Lemmy seems perfect to me.
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What's the difference between Lemmy and piefed, and why should be choose one over the other?
You don't have to. Piefed is different software. It does have more features: custom feeds, hashtags, flairs, polls, events, keyword filtering, scheduled posts and more. Much of this is also arriving in lemmy 1.0, but the release so far is undated.
But some people dislike the UI of Piefed.
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For most other formats, everyone creates and shares: photos, posts, sharing links. For more crafted video material, there's too much of an imbalance between the number of watchers vs creators to make a new platform an easy sell. You'd need a strong creator promise like Nebula.
Yeah, agreed. The one thing the platforms you see that aren't YouTube that creators actually use have in common is financial incentive. Nebula is the best example here. Creators get a cut and have more creative freedom, so they actually use it and try to direct their audience to it for bonus content, which seems to actually work. Patreon is similar for a lot of creators, letting them put out additional content with fewer restrictions and letting them get more income from their viewers.
Some people also seem to have some success with independent platforms. If you look at like a Dropout or Viva Plus, these are both putting stuff out on YouTube and then drawing users in with subscriptions, and that seems to be a sound model.
But Peertube produces zero dollars for creators, which means they have no incentive to push users there. In fact, they're incentivized to avoid doing so because there are other platforms that will actually pay them if they can direct traffic there. Peertube lacks both the money-making side of things and the exposure side of things, so there's no real reason to use it.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something independent like Peertube take off, but the model doesn't really work.
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Because YouTube can shoot down you account and all your videos get blocked if they want?
Every political content creator should use PeerTube at least as a backup.
Most of them have Patreon for that, which actually produces income.
What's the incentive? All they would be doing is pushing views away from platforms where having viewers actually benefits them, either through metrics or income or both.
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I don't care about some karma number, but yeah, I definitely like to see some conversations I've had, or things I've upvoted because I maybe would like to share them later in a conversation.
So yeah, I like having the record for me.
We were also talking about getting more people on the platform and you are basically showing exactly why others hate this place. My criticism is valid and something a normal person would notice. You came in and wrote a small diatribe about... Not what I was talking about.
No, I don't obsessively go over everything I've ever said. But I sure do sometimes want to revisit, rethink and repost things.
I literally use Piefed every single day and am enthusiastic about the growth of the Fediverse. If it can't even take internal criticism from regular users with a vested interest it isn't ready for outside interest.
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Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?
Too much friction, and that's really bad UX.
And now you have to explain to people why the default UI sucks.
I tried to promote https://p.lemmy.world to people, and they tell me to get lost with that dodgy virus link. -
Link to a Photon Frontend then?
Not all instances have Photon UI, and that just adds more friction and confusion.
Now I have to explain to users why the default FE is garbage and why they should use Photon.
And when I've promoted https://p.lemmy.world in the past I get people telling me to fuck off because I'm sharing dodgy virus links. -
Is there a voyager equivalent for piefed?
Voyager works great on PieFed, it doesn't yet have all the new PieFed features, but it works great.
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What's the difference between Lemmy and piefed, and why should be choose one over the other?
To users they're both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it's the one I choose to promote.
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PipePipe has never let me down yet. In case you still need to interact with YouTube.
It started to just error out on every video. Some people suggest to revert a couple of versions. But I simply gave up. There's no anything there that I need.
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To users they're both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it's the one I choose to promote.
But how does one switch from Lemmy to Piefed?
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
Should be Lemmy over piefed.
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And instance admins!
I recommend hosting yourself to see exactly what "admins" have to go through.
