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  • B baroquew@lemmy.world

    For most other formats, everyone creates and shares: photos, posts, sharing links. For more crafted video material, there's too much of an imbalance between the number of watchers vs creators to make a new platform an easy sell. You'd need a strong creator promise like Nebula.

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    hzl
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    #101

    Yeah, agreed. The one thing the platforms you see that aren't YouTube that creators actually use have in common is financial incentive. Nebula is the best example here. Creators get a cut and have more creative freedom, so they actually use it and try to direct their audience to it for bonus content, which seems to actually work. Patreon is similar for a lot of creators, letting them put out additional content with fewer restrictions and letting them get more income from their viewers.

    Some people also seem to have some success with independent platforms. If you look at like a Dropout or Viva Plus, these are both putting stuff out on YouTube and then drawing users in with subscriptions, and that seems to be a sound model.

    But Peertube produces zero dollars for creators, which means they have no incentive to push users there. In fact, they're incentivized to avoid doing so because there are other platforms that will actually pay them if they can direct traffic there. Peertube lacks both the money-making side of things and the exposure side of things, so there's no real reason to use it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see something independent like Peertube take off, but the model doesn't really work.

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    • bufalo1973B bufalo1973

      Because YouTube can shoot down you account and all your videos get blocked if they want?

      Every political content creator should use PeerTube at least as a backup.

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      hzl
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      Most of them have Patreon for that, which actually produces income.

      What's the incentive? All they would be doing is pushing views away from platforms where having viewers actually benefits them, either through metrics or income or both.

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      • K karashta

        I don't care about some karma number, but yeah, I definitely like to see some conversations I've had, or things I've upvoted because I maybe would like to share them later in a conversation.

        So yeah, I like having the record for me.

        We were also talking about getting more people on the platform and you are basically showing exactly why others hate this place. My criticism is valid and something a normal person would notice. You came in and wrote a small diatribe about... Not what I was talking about.

        No, I don't obsessively go over everything I've ever said. But I sure do sometimes want to revisit, rethink and repost things.

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        hzl
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        I literally use Piefed every single day and am enthusiastic about the growth of the Fediverse. If it can't even take internal criticism from regular users with a vested interest it isn't ready for outside interest.

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        • C Calfpupa [she/her]

          Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?

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          Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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          #104

          Too much friction, and that's really bad UX.

          And now you have to explain to people why the default UI sucks.
          I tried to promote https://p.lemmy.world to people, and they tell me to get lost with that dodgy virus link.

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          • C Calfpupa [she/her]

            Link to a Photon Frontend then?

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            Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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            #105

            Not all instances have Photon UI, and that just adds more friction and confusion.

            Now I have to explain to users why the default FE is garbage and why they should use Photon.
            And when I've promoted https://p.lemmy.world in the past I get people telling me to fuck off because I'm sharing dodgy virus links.

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            • G grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works

              Is there a voyager equivalent for piefed?

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              Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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              #106

              Voyager works great on PieFed, it doesn't yet have all the new PieFed features, but it works great.

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              • N neo2478@sh.itjust.works

                What's the difference between Lemmy and piefed, and why should be choose one over the other?

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                Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
                wrote last edited by
                #107

                To users they're both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it's the one I choose to promote.

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                • CoelacanthC Coelacanth

                  PipePipe has never let me down yet. In case you still need to interact with YouTube.

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                  altphoto@lemmy.today
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                  It started to just error out on every video. Some people suggest to revert a couple of versions. But I simply gave up. There's no anything there that I need.

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                  • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                    To users they're both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it's the one I choose to promote.

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                    lumisal@lemmy.world
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                    #109

                    But how does one switch from Lemmy to Piefed?

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                    • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                      Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                      lofuw@sh.itjust.works
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                      #110

                      Should be Lemmy over piefed.

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                      • Blaze (he/him)B Blaze (he/him)

                        And instance admins!

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                        lofuw@sh.itjust.works
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                        I recommend hosting yourself to see exactly what "admins" have to go through.

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                        • A altphoto@lemmy.today

                          It started to just error out on every video. Some people suggest to revert a couple of versions. But I simply gave up. There's no anything there that I need.

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                          Coelacanth
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                          PipePipe is a fork of NewPipe, with more and better features (like built in SponsorBlock). I was watching videos on it just an hour ago.

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                          • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                            Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                            minimac@lemmy.ml
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                            What in the world is piefed? Lemmy is superior to Reddit.

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                            • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                              Too much friction, and that's really bad UX.

                              And now you have to explain to people why the default UI sucks.
                              I tried to promote https://p.lemmy.world to people, and they tell me to get lost with that dodgy virus link.

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                              myserverisdown@lemmy.world
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                              #114

                              That's just fine. Don't worry yourself too much. I don't know about everyone else, but I only want the people open to making a switch here. If you're so put off by trying something new that you aren't willing to give it a chance, then I'm not going to be begging for you to join my community.

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                              • G gmac@feddit.org

                                All the proposed services/technologies would benefit the wider consumer base and the user but switching is too big an ask for many people. We need to encourage people into using "as well as" the global defaults. That will build the network effects that lower the cost of fully switching

                                An easier and bigger immediate impact would come from people replacing Chrome and google search with respectful alternatives, and/or replacing gmail or outlook with private services like proton or tuta.
                                Starve the surveillance machines a little bit.

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                                iopq@lemmy.world
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                                #115

                                Look, I'm looking at reddit posts about niche stuff like a fiend. But when I make a post, I always go here first

                                I've switched, but I haven't stopped searching old reddit posts. The cache of information is just too rich to pass up.

                                It's all about mindset. I'm all in fediverse, despite actually using reddit sometimes. Switching doesn't mean blocking the entire website

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                                • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                                  But how does one switch from Lemmy to Piefed?

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                                  Rose
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                                  #116

                                  You can register on a Piefed instance and use Lemmy's subscription export feature and Piefed's import feature to retain your subscriptions. Porting comments/posts isn't a thing.

                                  There's work underway creating migration scripts for Lemmy databases to be imported to Piefed, but that is a tool for instance administrators only, of course.

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                                  • L lumisal@lemmy.world

                                    But how does one switch from Lemmy to Piefed?

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                                    not_rick@lemmy.world
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                                    #117

                                    You create a new account on a Piefed instance. There’s a lot to choose from like Piefed.social, piefed.ca, piefed.blahaj.zone, etc

                                    Theres a lot of animosity right now between some Piefed and Lemmy users for some reason. I use both, I dunno why people are picking this fight right now, it seems pretty fucking dumb to me.

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                                    • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                      I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.

                                      The default browser UI sucks.

                                      I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.

                                      The vast majority of users just won't go through that effort. PieFed's default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which is why I promote it instead

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                                      anothermember@feddit.uk
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                                      #118

                                      I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.

                                      The default browser UI sucks.

                                      How long ago? It was a bit flaky a couple of years ago but for me now it's perfect - like Reddit UI before it enshittified.

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                                      • C ceebee_eh@lemmy.world

                                        Piefed seens to have a lot of issues baked into the code

                                        https://lemmy.world/post/42299745

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                                        QuadratureSurfer
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                                        That looks like one very specific issue rather than a lot of issues of something to really worry about.

                                        Personally I haven't noticed had any issues uploading images for posts.

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                                        • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                          Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                                          octopusnemeses@lemmy.world
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                                          There doesn't need to be a replacement for everything. How much does the world need to revolve around a random person's hot-take in 140 characters or as many seconds. These are artificial walls.

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