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1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay

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  • L lofuw@sh.itjust.works

    Should be Lemmy over piefed.

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    die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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    #150

    I've seen the Reddit users be more receptive of PieFed over Lemmy. In a post suggesting Lemmy, the Reddit users will just comment that it looks ugly, it's confusing, devs are tankies, etc. Posts suggesting PieFed get less complaints and more signups.

    Also I think the instance choice is easier for PieFed compared to Lemmy. If you tell people to use Lemmy, they'll probably end up on lemmy.world which is overpopulated, or lemmy.ml...

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    • B BruisedMoose

      I am unreasonably angry about the stretched icons.

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      darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works
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      #151

      Hey, hey you.

      Get some.

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      • 1984@lemmy.today1 1984@lemmy.today

        No.

        But mainly because content creators are on YouTube to get audience and a small profit. The technology is fine otherwise.

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        explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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        #152

        This is an interesting economics problem. How can a p2p FOSS alternative compete with advertising revenue? The YouTube creators don't even get most of the money, so it wouldn't need to be perfect to be better.

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        • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

          Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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          texture@lemmy.world
          wrote last edited by texture@lemmy.world
          #153

          can anyone eli5 what the difference is from piefed to lemmy? i have a lemmy account, do i have a use for a piefed accnt too?

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          • A angrycommiekender@lemmy.world

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            shatur@lemmy.ml
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            #154

            Maybe add Matrix as a Discord alternative?

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            • texture@lemmy.worldT texture@lemmy.world

              can anyone eli5 what the difference is from piefed to lemmy? i have a lemmy account, do i have a use for a piefed accnt too?

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              Skavau
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              #155

              Its up to you. They are different software but both read lemmy and Piefed communities and instances.

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              • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                To users they're both mostly the same but PieFed has more features and a much better UX, so it's the one I choose to promote.

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                shatur@lemmy.ml
                wrote last edited by shatur@lemmy.ml
                #156

                I'm not sure about the better UX. Take a look at the recent code analysis: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293

                I think the current behavior is very confusing. Unless you're an instance admin, you don't know whether these features are enabled or not.

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                • B BruisedMoose

                  I am unreasonably angry about the stretched icons.

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                  nek0d3r
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                  #157

                  It makes it look like a shitpost at a glance lol

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                  • 1984@lemmy.today1 1984@lemmy.today

                    No.

                    But mainly because content creators are on YouTube to get audience and a small profit. The technology is fine otherwise.

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                    baitu@jlai.lu
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                    #158

                    There are some good youtube mirrors on peertube though and the videos can be downloaded. Also no youtube censorship! I bet you can find some good movies like in the old age of youtube

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                    • A aoxomoxoa@lemmy.world

                      Is peer tube any good ?

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                      baitu@jlai.lu
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                      #159

                      There are some good youtube mirrors on peertube though and the videos can be downloaded. Also no youtube censorship! I bet you can find some good movies like in the old age of youtube

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                      • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                        Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                        die4ever@retrolemmy.com
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                        #160

                        I honestly think next time we should switch Mastodon out for something else (still Fediverse/ActivityPub of course).

                        We've already given Reddit users enough chances to try out Mastodon, we should see if the general Reddit users accept something else better. But I'm not experienced with microblogging at all, it's not my thing. Hopefully something with a discovery algorithm.

                        We've seen good results from promoting PieFed instead of Lemmy, so switching it up does work.

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                        • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksE explodicle@sh.itjust.works

                          This is an interesting economics problem. How can a p2p FOSS alternative compete with advertising revenue? The YouTube creators don't even get most of the money, so it wouldn't need to be perfect to be better.

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                          baitu@jlai.lu
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                          #161

                          Yeah I think it's doable since most of the revenues are through sponsorship and you can evaluate the audience with likes and subscriptions

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                          • J jali67@lemmy.zip

                            All due respect to Mastodon but BlueSky is way more viable right now.

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                            baitu@jlai.lu
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                            #162

                            But BlueSky doesn't support the fediverse yet, isn't it?

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                            • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                              Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                              mintyfresh@lemmy.world
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                              #163

                              I've been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I'm happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?

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                              • bufalo1973B bufalo1973

                                What I miss is a auth service for all of them. Something like a "common user" where you can have all your Fediverse services under the same user.

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                                baitu@jlai.lu
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                                #164

                                Yeah some OAuth would be nice

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                                • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                  Sure but PieFed doesn't seem to have a tankie problem. They're blocked from what I've seen.

                                  Even if that wasn't the case, PieFed doesn't have a reputation for having a tankie problem.

                                  The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don't get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it's flooded with pro-russia propaganda.

                                  So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed

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                                  shatur@lemmy.ml
                                  wrote last edited by shatur@lemmy.ml
                                  #165

                                  It's a shame to see that people think of Lemmy creators as some sort of villains.

                                  I created my account on .ml before the Reddit blackout, but there wasn't much content there, so I didn't use it much. I properly started using it after the "Reddit blackout," and that's when I learned about the so-called "tankie problem." I've met people with weird opinions, but the developers and Marxists in general aren't bad people. People just usually make a strawmen to argue against.

                                  Anyway, none of their opinions are reflected in the software. Lemmy is done in a truly democratic and user-oriented way, and I respect them for it.

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                                  • mintyfresh@lemmy.worldM mintyfresh@lemmy.world

                                    I've been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I'm happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?

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                                    spookybogmonster@lemmy.ml
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                                    #166

                                    There's been some controversy recently about censorship hardcoded into Piefed's backend. Basically it gives people a "social credit score" based on how they post.

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                                    • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                      Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.

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                                      thoro@lemmy.ml
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                                      #167

                                      It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.

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                                      • K karashta

                                        I feel the same about PeerTube. And the fact it is a defederated network with opt in to federation is a bad model IMO. There's no way for a creator to get paid, either AFAIK.

                                        I tried it out. First sign up, I was shuttled to an instance federated with only two other instances. Second sign up, I found what looked like an active instance but there still is just a lack of content. I'm not sure how to fix any of its issues as I see them. I'd love an actual YouTube competitor

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                                        baitu@jlai.lu
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                                        #168

                                        Yeah the entry ticket is a little high. It's not easy to find an instance which has open registrations and integrates sepia (the federated search engine for peertube) but once you find one it works quite well! (I use peerate.fr)

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                                        • CoelacanthC Coelacanth

                                          I agree, and I think it's a shame it has gotten to this point, but I understand his viewpoint completely and have seen the interactions myself. At this point it's simply more efficient to promote Piefed on Reddit instead of Lemmy, because you want the absolute least amount of friction for potential new users. Literally any single minor inconvenience/negative thing will cause people to not even consider trying it out. Lemmy has unfortunately already accumulated a reputation, and if you promote it you are very likely to run into comments about tankies which is typically enough to scare potential new users away.

                                          At the end of the day it shouldn't matter to us which software people use, as long as we get more new users into the ecosystem.

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                                          diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                                          Sadly piefed isnt innocent either, they are trying to poison the AP protocol: https://communick.news/comment/8015757

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