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  • T thoro@lemmy.ml

    It's honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.

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    fizz@lemmy.nz
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    #261

    Is this bait? There is hardly any hostility here towards the software and the Lemmy devs want to push the world towards being an authoritarian hellscape. If anything they dont get enough shit.

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    • khánhK khánh

      Loops is mid. The community is pretty inactive, and the iOS build is quite buggy and lacking.

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      Bunbury
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      #262

      It only released onto the AppStore 3 days ago. I’d argue they deserve some time to get it right.

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      • NutomicN Nutomic

        Not true.

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        iunnrais@lemmy.world
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        #263

        Demonstrably true. Try saying anything contrary to a tankie talking point on .ml and see how long before you get banned. May I suggest “Russia was wrong for invading Ukraine” for starters, or “China committed unjustifiable atrocities against peaceful protestors”.

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        • DylanMc6 [any, any]D DylanMc6 [any, any]

          What about streaming?

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          whyjiffie@sh.itjust.works
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          that's peertube too

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            Wtf is piefed? I mean, I'm searching for it now, I've just never heard of it.

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            grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            wrote last edited by grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            #265

            It's like Lemmy, but it can interact with Mastodon and has some other features that Lemmy lacks. It's pretty cool, only reason I don't use more often it is I'm happy on my instance otherwise I would swap in an instant.

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            • fizz@lemmy.nzF fizz@lemmy.nz

              Is this bait? There is hardly any hostility here towards the software and the Lemmy devs want to push the world towards being an authoritarian hellscape. If anything they dont get enough shit.

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              grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              #266

              The user is from .ml, it's a bad-faith post imo.

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              • I iunnrais@lemmy.world

                Demonstrably true. Try saying anything contrary to a tankie talking point on .ml and see how long before you get banned. May I suggest “Russia was wrong for invading Ukraine” for starters, or “China committed unjustifiable atrocities against peaceful protestors”.

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                grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                #267

                You're replying to one of the Lemmy devs. Hearing them say it's not true when they literally run .ml as a tankie community is hilarious.

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                • T thoro@lemmy.ml

                  This comm is often full of comments pushing lemmy alternatives, with PieFed being the new frontrunner.

                  You'd think the post here would include Lemmy, which I believe is still the most active platform

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                  grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  #268

                  People on Lemmy don't need to be told about Lemmy though?

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                  • S Spice Hoarder

                    Like a twitch alternative?

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                    ashmeshedup@lemmy.world
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                    #269

                    Owncast but PeerTube also has live streaming.

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                    • Dirty AnComD Dirty AnCom

                      Lol, posting Piefed as an alternative to reddit to Lemmy...

                      Also, PeerTube is super obtuse to get an account and has almost no reach. You almost have to personally know someone who has a server or host your own. There's a reason why video hosting has gotten so corporatized: it's expensive. That said, almost "no one" used Mastodon for nearly a decade and it's finally starting to take off, so maybe it just needs another decade or two.

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                      warl0k3@lemmy.world
                      wrote last edited by warl0k3@lemmy.world
                      #270

                      A lot of people hesitate to promote lemmy because of how transphobic / authoritarian the lead devs are. It's unfortunate, but if you're concerned about that then piefed really is the more attractive option (I like my comment history too much to have switched yet but... man, it's getting hard to justify not having done it.)

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                      • P planish@sh.itjust.works

                        But it's the same platform! They all interoperate!

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                        diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                        #271

                        Piefed sometimes makes it hard to interoperate: https://communick.news/comment/8015757

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                        • D diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                          Also piefed violates basic compatibility in fediverse: https://communick.news/comment/8015757

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                          pressanykeynow@lemmy.world
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                          That's actually some very interesting discussion down there.

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                          • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                            I'm sorry but the default Lemmy UI is objectively bad, it breaks so many UX principles.

                            Photon is good, but go to Lemmy.world and it looks like a website built in the early 90's

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                            anothermember@feddit.uk
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                            #273

                            If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.

                            Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.

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                            • A anothermember@feddit.uk

                              If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.

                              Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.

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                              Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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                              #274

                              Yes there's been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse.
                              UI's are much better than the past.

                              Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page

                              You could argue that it's dark-ux, but it's not bad-ux

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                              • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                Yes there's been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse.
                                UI's are much better than the past.

                                Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page

                                You could argue that it's dark-ux, but it's not bad-ux

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                                anothermember@feddit.uk
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                                #275

                                It prevents you from keeping track of how much you've read and makes the site more addictive with no significant upside, and even without that it's worse UX when you try to go back and read something from earlier you have no idea where it is. Commercial sites still use it because they care more about keeping users on the platform than overall UX, but there's no need for software like Lemmy to do it. Yes, dark UX is bad UX, it's the worst kind in fact.

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                                • A anothermember@feddit.uk

                                  It prevents you from keeping track of how much you've read and makes the site more addictive with no significant upside, and even without that it's worse UX when you try to go back and read something from earlier you have no idea where it is. Commercial sites still use it because they care more about keeping users on the platform than overall UX, but there's no need for software like Lemmy to do it. Yes, dark UX is bad UX, it's the worst kind in fact.

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                                  Ek-Hou-Van-Braai
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                                  #276

                                  You're describing Dark-UI

                                  Dark-UI isn't Bad-UX

                                  Good UX = Easier to use, Easier to navigate, etc.
                                  Good UX makes people use your platform more because there is less friction.

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                                  • W warl0k3@lemmy.world

                                    A lot of people hesitate to promote lemmy because of how transphobic / authoritarian the lead devs are. It's unfortunate, but if you're concerned about that then piefed really is the more attractive option (I like my comment history too much to have switched yet but... man, it's getting hard to justify not having done it.)

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                                    YTG123
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                                    #277

                                    And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s

                                    No one likes the lemmy lead devs or their stances. But, to my knowledge, they just keep doing their own thing over at .ml and never channel it into their actual codebase.

                                    When I first started here, I was on Kbin, and switched to lemmy because it was so much better. I considered switching to Piefed exactly because of these reasons you mentioned (I've already switched lemmy instances, comment history is not an issue for me), but when I looked into it there were so many just frankly aggravating things about the way it works and filters stuff by default (not to mention being written in Python, but that's completely tangential) that I couldn't do it.

                                    Sure, lemmy developers have backwards principles. But at least their software doesn't. I completely get why someone would use Piefed instead, especially if they're trans or of some other demographic directly targeted by the lemmy developers, but I wouldn't do it myself (unless it gets better, of course).

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                                    • Ek-Hou-Van-BraaiE Ek-Hou-Van-Braai

                                      You're describing Dark-UI

                                      Dark-UI isn't Bad-UX

                                      Good UX = Easier to use, Easier to navigate, etc.
                                      Good UX makes people use your platform more because there is less friction.

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                                      anothermember@feddit.uk
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                                      If it works against the user's intention then I'd say that's friction of another sort. For example if you go to a website and scroll more than you wanted to due to dark UX (as opposed to good content), the user may not immediately realise it's a bad experience for them, but still they've wasted extra time hence the site has got in the way of what they were originally trying to achieve. It's become normalised so it's not always recognised.

                                      On a personal note, I want to be able to go on Lemmy and say "OK, I'll read the top 2 pages of my subscribed communities" and let that be it, that's a much more reasonable way of approaching a large amount of content.

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                                      • G grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        It's like Lemmy, but it can interact with Mastodon and has some other features that Lemmy lacks. It's pretty cool, only reason I don't use more often it is I'm happy on my instance otherwise I would swap in an instant.

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                                        prodigalfrog@slrpnk.net
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                                        The Dbzer0 folk also run a piefed instance, Anarchist.nexus, if you'd prefer to be using piefed with everything else the same.

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                                        • YTG123Y YTG123

                                          And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s

                                          No one likes the lemmy lead devs or their stances. But, to my knowledge, they just keep doing their own thing over at .ml and never channel it into their actual codebase.

                                          When I first started here, I was on Kbin, and switched to lemmy because it was so much better. I considered switching to Piefed exactly because of these reasons you mentioned (I've already switched lemmy instances, comment history is not an issue for me), but when I looked into it there were so many just frankly aggravating things about the way it works and filters stuff by default (not to mention being written in Python, but that's completely tangential) that I couldn't do it.

                                          Sure, lemmy developers have backwards principles. But at least their software doesn't. I completely get why someone would use Piefed instead, especially if they're trans or of some other demographic directly targeted by the lemmy developers, but I wouldn't do it myself (unless it gets better, of course).

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                                          warl0k3@lemmy.world
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                                          #280

                                          It's a testament to (if nothing else) the ability of the piefed devs to behave like adults that I know nothing about them personally. Nu/Des are horrible people, both politically and interpersonally, but that's the beauty of FOSS: Those of us comfortable with separating the software from the creators get to stick with the software we prefer over one that lacks features or broad support (i.e. all the piefed apps I've tried have been pretty rough). Same energy as why people still use windows instead of linux.

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