1st Feb is #GlobalSwitchDay
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This comm is often full of comments pushing lemmy alternatives, with PieFed being the new frontrunner.
You'd think the post here would include Lemmy, which I believe is still the most active platform
People on Lemmy don't need to be told about Lemmy though?
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Like a twitch alternative?
Owncast but PeerTube also has live streaming.
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Lol, posting Piefed as an alternative to reddit to Lemmy...
Also, PeerTube is super obtuse to get an account and has almost no reach. You almost have to personally know someone who has a server or host your own. There's a reason why video hosting has gotten so corporatized: it's expensive. That said, almost "no one" used Mastodon for nearly a decade and it's finally starting to take off, so maybe it just needs another decade or two.
A lot of people hesitate to promote lemmy because of how transphobic / authoritarian the lead devs are. It's unfortunate, but if you're concerned about that then piefed really is the more attractive option (I like my comment history too much to have switched yet but... man, it's getting hard to justify not having done it.)
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But it's the same platform! They all interoperate!
Piefed sometimes makes it hard to interoperate: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
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Also piefed violates basic compatibility in fediverse: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
That's actually some very interesting discussion down there.
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I'm sorry but the default Lemmy UI is objectively bad, it breaks so many UX principles.
Photon is good, but go to Lemmy.world and it looks like a website built in the early 90's
If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.
Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.
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If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.
Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.
Yes there's been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse.
UI's are much better than the past.Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page
You could argue that it's dark-ux, but it's not bad-ux
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Yes there's been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse.
UI's are much better than the past.Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page
You could argue that it's dark-ux, but it's not bad-ux
It prevents you from keeping track of how much you've read and makes the site more addictive with no significant upside, and even without that it's worse UX when you try to go back and read something from earlier you have no idea where it is. Commercial sites still use it because they care more about keeping users on the platform than overall UX, but there's no need for software like Lemmy to do it. Yes, dark UX is bad UX, it's the worst kind in fact.
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It prevents you from keeping track of how much you've read and makes the site more addictive with no significant upside, and even without that it's worse UX when you try to go back and read something from earlier you have no idea where it is. Commercial sites still use it because they care more about keeping users on the platform than overall UX, but there's no need for software like Lemmy to do it. Yes, dark UX is bad UX, it's the worst kind in fact.
You're describing Dark-UI
Dark-UI isn't Bad-UX
Good UX = Easier to use, Easier to navigate, etc.
Good UX makes people use your platform more because there is less friction. -
A lot of people hesitate to promote lemmy because of how transphobic / authoritarian the lead devs are. It's unfortunate, but if you're concerned about that then piefed really is the more attractive option (I like my comment history too much to have switched yet but... man, it's getting hard to justify not having done it.)
And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s
No one likes the lemmy lead devs or their stances. But, to my knowledge, they just keep doing their own thing over at
.mland never channel it into their actual codebase.When I first started here, I was on Kbin, and switched to lemmy because it was so much better. I considered switching to Piefed exactly because of these reasons you mentioned (I've already switched lemmy instances, comment history is not an issue for me), but when I looked into it there were so many just frankly aggravating things about the way it works and filters stuff by default (not to mention being written in Python, but that's completely tangential) that I couldn't do it.
Sure, lemmy developers have backwards principles. But at least their software doesn't. I completely get why someone would use Piefed instead, especially if they're trans or of some other demographic directly targeted by the lemmy developers, but I wouldn't do it myself (unless it gets better, of course).
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You're describing Dark-UI
Dark-UI isn't Bad-UX
Good UX = Easier to use, Easier to navigate, etc.
Good UX makes people use your platform more because there is less friction.If it works against the user's intention then I'd say that's friction of another sort. For example if you go to a website and scroll more than you wanted to due to dark UX (as opposed to good content), the user may not immediately realise it's a bad experience for them, but still they've wasted extra time hence the site has got in the way of what they were originally trying to achieve. It's become normalised so it's not always recognised.
On a personal note, I want to be able to go on Lemmy and say "OK, I'll read the top 2 pages of my subscribed communities" and let that be it, that's a much more reasonable way of approaching a large amount of content.
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It's like Lemmy, but it can interact with Mastodon and has some other features that Lemmy lacks. It's pretty cool, only reason I don't use more often it is I'm happy on my instance otherwise I would swap in an instant.
The Dbzer0 folk also run a piefed instance, Anarchist.nexus, if you'd prefer to be using piefed with everything else the same.
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And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s
No one likes the lemmy lead devs or their stances. But, to my knowledge, they just keep doing their own thing over at
.mland never channel it into their actual codebase.When I first started here, I was on Kbin, and switched to lemmy because it was so much better. I considered switching to Piefed exactly because of these reasons you mentioned (I've already switched lemmy instances, comment history is not an issue for me), but when I looked into it there were so many just frankly aggravating things about the way it works and filters stuff by default (not to mention being written in Python, but that's completely tangential) that I couldn't do it.
Sure, lemmy developers have backwards principles. But at least their software doesn't. I completely get why someone would use Piefed instead, especially if they're trans or of some other demographic directly targeted by the lemmy developers, but I wouldn't do it myself (unless it gets better, of course).
It's a testament to (if nothing else) the ability of the piefed devs to behave like adults that I know nothing about them personally. Nu/Des are horrible people, both politically and interpersonally, but that's the beauty of FOSS: Those of us comfortable with separating the software from the creators get to stick with the software we prefer over one that lacks features or broad support (i.e. all the piefed apps I've tried have been pretty rough). Same energy as why people still use windows instead of linux.
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-- open https://lemmy.ml
-- met with a list of posts, most images too small for me to see or read.
-- click on first post so that I can see the image - https://lemmy.ml/post/42503928
-- taken to a page where I still can't see the image I clicked to see
-- Click on the image, now I can see it.-- See some comments
-- now I need to click back to continue-- see another interesting post, image to small, can't see so I have to click -- https://lemmy.ml/post/42501566
-- Still can't see image so I click on the image
-- now I'm taken to https://mecha.so/comet#overview
-- WTF, why am I on a different site? Why am I here,where are the comments
-- Realisze I can't distinguish between Image posts and Links to a different site.
-- Why is this so confusing to browse?Sounds like you are specifically looking for a client focused on image browsing. In that case I would suggest linking to vger.app, phtn.app or blorp which I linked in another comment. Lemmy 1.0 will also have a card view which admins can set as default, where images are already expanded.
see another interesting post, image to small, can’t see so I have to click – https://lemmy.ml/post/42501566
This is only the link preview (indicated by the arrow icon), not an image post. Is the icon too small?
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Review of the two experiences:
With PieFed I can just keep scrolling without needing to click.
Things just work and are where I expect them to be (based on pas UX experiences (reddit))
I can see way more content without ever getting confused or needing to click or make decisions, making me stay curious and engaged.
Where as with Lemmy I very quickly got frustrated and confused, making me want to abandon ship and do something else, and I'm way way way more resilient than the vast majority of usersNot everyone likes infinite scroll, but some apps such as vger.app offer it.
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join-lemmy.org looks much improved now! And yes linking directly to an instance is the way to go, I would've put URLs in this promotional image instead of just names
I'm not sure if I have any specific ideas at the moment. It's possible Lemmy has just reached a saturation point with Reddit where the people still on Reddit are the ones who bounced off Lemmy before, so they won't give it another chance anytime soon, but they haven't tried PieFed yet. Maybe the optimal strategy is to cycle between the recommendations to catch everyone with whatever suits them best. I think we should also try changing out the Mastodon recommendation and see if something else catches people who haven't already switched to Fediverse microblogging.
I think PieFed's idea of asking new users what they want/don't want to see is a good idea.
I made a couple of "Help Design Lemmy" posts in !lemmy@lemmy.ml recently to get feedback and ideas, which was very helpful. I will continue to make such posts to improve join-lemmy.org, and also Lemmy itself.
Had a look at the Piefed signup now, choosing categories like that is a good idea. But the question is how these categories get curated. We have something similar with the instance topics on join-lemmy.org but no one is really helping to maintain them. So for community categories it would probably similar. In 1.0 we will have some improvements for discovery, like multi-communities and a "suggested communities" collection which can be set by local admins.
For the Mastodon recommendation there isnt any good alternative software that I can see. So its probably best to recommend a single Mastodon instance, depending on the target audience.
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Lol, posting Piefed as an alternative to reddit to Lemmy...
Also, PeerTube is super obtuse to get an account and has almost no reach. You almost have to personally know someone who has a server or host your own. There's a reason why video hosting has gotten so corporatized: it's expensive. That said, almost "no one" used Mastodon for nearly a decade and it's finally starting to take off, so maybe it just needs another decade or two.
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Today the first of Feb is Global Switch day, Spread awareness of the Fediverse in your communities.
Lets make February a switch month. It is impossible to switch in one day
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What's a good peertube instance that federates with a lot? I tried tldvids but its got like 2 regular uploaders and i cant find most channels I search for.
You can upload yourself so that others can benefit.
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Loops is mid. The community is pretty inactive, and the iOS build is quite buggy and lacking.
There's an organized effort by somebody to disparage Dan Supernault. I would take anything negative you've heard about him, or Loops or Pixelfed with a big grain of salt. They even have a Discord channel where the plot ways to sew poison about him. It's nuts !!!
